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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Its a piss poor attempt to stop illegals from voting. The problem with this is that it has a chance of preventing poor and the elderly from voting (usually have expired IDs) The obvious fix to that ONE problem (because requiring IDs is actually a good idea) is to give IDs to poor people for free.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    The only point of providing links from some partisan site is to prove that someone out there agrees with you. I think most everyone would concede that, but it doesn't make your case any more convincing unless someone already agrees. It's a bit silly, ain't it?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Its a piss poor attempt to stop illegals from voting. The problem with this is that it has a chance of preventing poor and the elderly from voting (usually have expired IDs) The obvious fix to that ONE problem (because requiring IDs is actually a good idea) is to give IDs to poor people for free.
    I seriously doubt than many illegals try to vote. The ones I've known have pretty much uniformly tried to keep as low of a profile as possible.

    And yes, the obvious fix is to give the poor and elderly IDs for free. They can use them for other things besides voting, after all, and so should have one.

    Hey! Anybody know who this guy is that just collapsed in the street? He's unconscious, and can't tell us, after all. Hurry! Call 911! Anybody know what his medical history is? Of course not, since no one knows even who he is.

    Having a picture ID handy can be a good thing, even for the few who don't drive cars.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    The only point of providing links from some partisan site is to prove that someone out there agrees with you. I think most everyone would concede that, but it doesn't make your case any more convincing unless someone already agrees. It's a bit silly, ain't it?
    If you can dispute any of the facts there, please do so.

    What is more than a bit silly is the denial that right wingers persist in. Look, lets be really frank and up front here. The US Census tells us that sometime in the next thirty to forty years, white folks are going to the be minority in the nation. They will comprise less than 50% of the population. And we all know that the Republican Party is pretty much the white folks party. So what happens to their chances of winning elections with each passing cycle as the nation becomes less and less the type of person who votes Republican? How do they win election when they cannot turn their back on the far righties who now make up so much of the GOP?

    Answer: make sure less and less of the other side can vote. You rig the game - you stack the deck - you take players out of the line up - you cheat.

    That is what this is about pure and simple.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    I seriously doubt than many illegals try to vote. The ones I've known have pretty much uniformly tried to keep as low of a profile as possible.

    And yes, the obvious fix is to give the poor and elderly IDs for free. They can use them for other things besides voting, after all, and so should have one.

    Hey! Anybody know who this guy is that just collapsed in the street? He's unconscious, and can't tell us, after all. Hurry! Call 911! Anybody know what his medical history is? Of course not, since no one knows even who he is.

    Having a picture ID handy can be a good thing, even for the few who don't drive cars.
    It honestly is an attempt by Repubs to engage in class warfare. Just like removing voting places from rual areas, poor negiborhoods, etc
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Its a piss poor attempt to stop illegals from voting. The problem with this is that it has a chance of preventing poor and the elderly from voting (usually have expired IDs) The obvious fix to that ONE problem (because requiring IDs is actually a good idea) is to give IDs to poor people for free.
    The problem with that is you're just lowering the bar once again to cater to the lowest common denominator. If the poor or elderly have no ID, whose fault is that? The cost is minimal, but let's assume that we do it for free, do you seriously think these people are going to go to the DMV and pick them up? What next? Oh no, we have to hand-deliver all of the IDs to everyone, door to door! Oh no, we have to fill out their forms because they're too lazy! Oh no, we have to do all the work and go vote for them too!

    If they're too damn stupid or lazy to go get an ID, I don't want them voting.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you can dispute any of the facts there, please do so.

    What is more than a nit silly is the denial that right wingers persist in. Look, lets be really frank and up front here. The US Census tells us that sometime in the next thirty to forty years, white folks are going to the be minority in the nation. They will comprise less than 50% of the population. And we all know that the Republican Party is pretty much the white folks party. So what happens to their chances of winning elections with each passing cycle as the nation becomes less and less the type of person who votes Republican? How do they win election when they cannot turn their back on the far righties who now make up so much of the GOP?

    Answer: make sure less and less of the other side can vote. You rig the game - you stack the deck - you take players out of the line up - you cheat.

    That is what this is about pure and simple.
    Yeah, I'd heard that after Obama got elected, then came the mid-terms. You seem to take the slavish devotion of minorities to the Democratic party for ganted. Even minorities dislike poverty and convincing them that they should live in it can only go so far.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I read two thirds of the article and saw nothing about what they are doing to suppress voting. I then started scanning. I'll refrain from reading any more of your links. If you want to make a point, quote the relevant parts.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Its a piss poor attempt to stop illegals from voting. The problem with this is that it has a chance of preventing poor and the elderly from voting (usually have expired IDs) The obvious fix to that ONE problem (because requiring IDs is actually a good idea) is to give IDs to poor people for free.
    As I noted early on, the only way you can do this is to make it free.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    As I noted early on, the only way you can do this is to make it free.
    No, the only way you can do it is make people responsible and responsibility in America is a bad word today.
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