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ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

Gie said:
Needs the votes of dead people who can't show up to the DMV but still can secure an ID and vote? My bad, from what I can see at DP, supposedly owing to the "prosecution rate" for voter fraud, there is no voter fraud and dead people have only voted in our election in the way way way back days. As long as one dead old infirm or ill zombie can't vote, there should be no change to our current system!

That is all.
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Not sure what your stance is here.
 
taxigirl said:
Not sure what your stance is here.
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I was not speaking to you, which is why you were not quoted. I was speaking to the poster quoted. ;)

Goodnight. Again.
 
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Take the number of votes that have been cast since the the year 2000. Then take the number of convictions for voter fraud in that same time period. The result is so tiny that it does not even begin to approach the beginnings of any problem which demands a solution. Voter fraud does not even rise to the level of being a pimple on the ass of the body politic.

This is about one thing pure and simple and that is a strategic tactic by the right wing to deny people designated as their enemies the vote so as to tip the scales in their favor in future elections. The census tells us that with each passing year, white people are becoming a smaller part of the nations population percentage wise. Within thirty years or forty from now, people today described as minorities together will outnumber whites. The Republican Party is pretty much the white persons party. If they want to win future elections in an environment where their current base is a minority, they will need to do one of two things:

1 - expand their appeal to other demographic groups by moderating many of their positions - of course they are doing the OPPOSITE, turning harder to the right now more than ever. This leaves
2- find way to deny the Other the vote so that they can still win elections with a minority party.

That is what this current struggle is all about.

There simply is no significant evidence that voter fraud is a problem that needs such a solution. There is plenty of evidence of the true motivations of Republicans.

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression

http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2011/10/the_truth_about_voter_suppress.php

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/conviction_in_gop_votersuppres033951.php
 
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Gie said:
In all 50 states of this country, old infirm and ill people that are legal citizens can secure legal ID. Prove otherwise. All 50 states, as far as I am aware, though certainly most, require all citizens to have a state issued ID. You don't have to have a DL but you do have to have an ID. Prove otherwise. Nobody, I repeat again, as I did in the last post, nobody (but you) has said a word about getting anyone to the polls. Prove otherwise.

Goodnight yet also, wake up.
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You are not required to have ID. You need a DL if you are driving, ID to buy alcohol, tobacco, enter bars, buy guns, bank, cross borders etc...
If you have truly read this thread you will have seen the roadblocks there are for some people seeking ID.
 
taxigirl said:
You are not required to have ID. You need a DL if you are driving, ID to buy alcohol, tobacco, enter bars, buy guns, bank, cross borders etc...
If you have truly read this thread you will have seen the roadblocks there are for some people seeking ID.
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You are not required to have ID? Where? A DL is ID, proof that you can drive. If you don't have a DL, you are still required to have ID. Why do you think there is such a thing as a ID? Dear girl, read the thread and maybe go read about your states laws about ID. Gonna learn a few things if you do. Goodnight for real. No really.
 
taxigirl said:
You are not required to have ID. You need a DL if you are driving, ID to buy alcohol, tobacco, enter bars, buy guns, bank, cross borders etc...
If you have truly read this thread you will have seen the roadblocks there are for some people seeking ID.
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Actually I apologize. For wasting your time. Had I any idea your posts were the work of a college professor and a taxi cab driver I would have understood the root issue at work here. A poorly drawn and utterly ignorant character. Er college pro and cabbie.
 
Require a State issued ID?!? LOL! What non-sense.

Pretty sure that's not a requirement here and, no, I'm not going to go looking for a State law that says, "No one is required to have a State ID". LOL! May as well look for a law that says, "No one is required to wear a hat", you'd have just as much luck finding it.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Require a State issued ID?!? LOL! What non-sense.

Pretty sure that's not a requirement here and, no, I'm not going to go looking for a State law that says, "No one is required to have a State ID". LOL! May as well look for a law that says, "No one is required to wear a hat", you'd have just as much luck finding it.
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Another well informed whack a mole. Because only people who can drive have an ID!

Good thing you are not going to go "looking" for anything. You might find an old fart Who song about a certain wasteland.
 
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Gie said:
Another well informed whack a mole. Because only people who can drive have an ID!

Good thing you are not going to go "looking" for anything. You might find an old fart Who song about a certain wasteland.
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No, I've known people who got a State ID card because they wanted to purchase alcohol and cigarettes. Dumb kids, I know, but what can you do?


Ed:
If you mean state ID, which would include the Fed, then you might get closer but I'm still not sure you could grab the ring.


Are you talkin' 'bout Pete?
 
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Gie said:
Actually I apologize. For wasting your time. Had I any idea your posts were the work of a college professor and a taxi cab driver I would have understood the root issue at work here. A poorly drawn and utterly ignorant character. Er college pro and cabbie.
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Gie,

Are you familiar with hat day? If not you will be happy to know it is a Federal Law brought in by the Coolidge Administration requiring men of war fighting age to on every third Friday of months that have 31 days to don a funny hat.

Now, just because I said that doesn't make it so. I challenge you to find any law, Supreme Court decision or newspaper article which states that as a United States citizen you are required to have identification.

As an elitist taxi dispatcher / college instructor I am a stickler for proof in order to be persuaded.
 
MoSurveyor said:
I've already stated my position on voter ID's, which is the same as the Supreme Court's review of the Indiana case. If a State wants to require a voter ID card to vote then it should issue said card for free. Any cost for secondary documentation to obtain said card is irrelevant. That's the law as it stands now, even if it is just case law. If the ACLU wants to watchdog States as they make new voter ID laws to ensure compliance with that SC review/opinion then I applaud them. As far as I'm concerned you can never have too many people watch-dogging the government. Everything beyond that position is already in the realm of speculation, opinion, and/or belief and has nothing to do with "reality".


My opinion is that any law that would disenfranchise people, especially from the electoral process, probably needs some more thought to minimize it's impact.

-The State could allow a couple of years for the law to take affect instead of pushing it through at the last minute. I mean, really? We have presidential elections at four year intervals and they can't pick a better time than now? They can't allow more time for people to get this stuff done?* What's the big rush?

-The State could issue the needed documents free of charge for this use. Would that be such a big deal? Would they really loose so much money making a photocopy and slapping an official stamp on it that it would bankrupt the State? Please. $0.05 piece of paper, $0.02 ink, maybe $1 for clerk time, $1.07 oh boy that'll kill us! If there are so few of these people out there then it shouldn't cost hardly anything.

(*It still doesn't completely solve the issue of travel but at least this would also allow more time for people to arrange transportation with friends or relatives instead of having to pay a cab or whatever to get this done.)

What's the big problem with doing these things instead of shutting people out?
How would it diminish us as a society to allow the time and make the documentation available?
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This doesn't speak to anything I said. Not even sure why you think I disagree with it. You do steal quite a few bases from post to post.
 
Most of the time, you're only required to have your driver's license with you if you are driving. You are only required to have your passport in your possession if you are re-entering the country, and you are almost never required to carry your birth certificate with you.

An interesting note to consider: a driver's license proves identity, but it does not prove citizenship. So the idea that having it will prevent non-citizens from voting is ludicrous. It is entriely possible -- in fact it happens all the time -- for someone who is not a citizen to have a DL in the state in which the reside.

Now we are over 560 posts into a thread that is about a requirement that's not that hard to meet, and won't fix something that usually works out to less than 1% of the vote. We're so lucky in this country that our economy is humming along so beautifully and unemployment is non-existent, because obviously this is the most important thing that needs to be done. We also need to outlaw Sharia law, and worry about whether birth control is covered by insurance. We need to investigate whether Obama had Andrew Breitbart killed, and whether Liberal kick more puppies than Conservatives or vice versa.
 
Karl said:
It would have been simpler to just say "No".
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Is there a reason you avoid questions? How do you expect anyone to discuss anything if you refuse to answer questions? Why is it that 15 million would be unable to prove their citizenship?
 
MoSurveyor said:
You would restrict religious freedom? That's sad, truly sad, that you think the Amish are being idiots. :(
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Anyone who believes something for which there is no evidence is an idiot, yes. I'm not saying they can't believe it, just that they are not justified in doing so and haven't earned any respect for doing so.
 
rocket88 said:
Most of the time, you're only required to have your driver's license with you if you are driving. You are only required to have your passport in your possession if you are re-entering the country, and you are almost never required to carry your birth certificate with you.
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Not any more. Have you tried to travel into Canada lately?
 
Harshaw said:
[...] Being careless about keeping your ID up to date is totally on you. [...] You can be fined for not doing so.
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Isn't that on an old Soviet Union billboard somewhere?
 
Karl said:
Isn't that on an old Soviet Union billboard somewhere?
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I think I saw something like that in the Washington DC Holocaust Memorial Museum.
 
taxigirl said:
Gie,

Are you familiar with hat day? If not you will be happy to know it is a Federal Law brought in by the Coolidge Administration requiring men of war fighting age to on every third Friday of months that have 31 days to don a funny hat.

Now, just because I said that doesn't make it so. I challenge you to find any law, Supreme Court decision or newspaper article which states that as a United States citizen you are required to have identification.

As an elitist taxi dispatcher / college instructor I am a stickler for proof in order to be persuaded.
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I'll be sure to quote this thread on "hat" day at DP next year. I'm certain "college professors" who also cabby but can't answer a single question will be strong contenders. Though strong money says you won't be around.

EDIT: I'm sorry Karl & Haymarket and other ilk, but is this internet profile worse than that of most TV sitcoms? Seriously? College professor/cab driver that has internet time? Please, I know as I type this, you are lurking. So the second I post this, could you two giants of intellect please go ahead and do what you do? Please? Pretty please?
 
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1Perry said:
Not any more. Have you tried to travel into Canada lately?
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I actually haven't been to Canada in a while. I would like to. I used to go to Canada frequently, and back then I wasn't usually asked for any ID whatsoever at either side of the border. That was before 9/11 though. Last time I went I was with a citizen of Japan who was studying in the US. No hassle. She showed her passport, they took a quick look and waved us through

I thought they did make it so that you needed a passport to re-enter the US. Could be wrong. Even a birth certificate doesn't prove citizenship. You could be a naturalized citizen and still vote, at which point your birthplace is only an issue if you run for President. At any rate, documentation required to enter Canada is irrelevant when it comes to voting.
 
rocket88 said:
I actually haven't been to Canada in a while. I would like to. I used to go to Canada frequently, and back then I wasn't usually asked for any ID whatsoever at either side of the border. That was before 9/11 though. Last time I went I was with a citizen of Japan who was studying in the US. No hassle. She showed her passport, they took a quick look and waved us through
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Yeah, all of that changed a couple years ago. It's a real PITA depending on where you are entering and exiting. I made the mistake of leaving at one of the Niagra Falls exits during the day. It took us around 4 hours to get out.

I thought they did make it so that you needed a passport to re-enter the US. Could be wrong. Even a birth certificate doesn't prove citizenship. You could be a naturalized citizen and still vote, at which point your birthplace is only an issue if you run for President. At any rate, documentation required to enter Canada is irrelevant when it comes to voting.
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You now need a passport. But yes, irrelevant.
 
Gie said:
I'll be sure to quote this thread on "hat" day at DP next year. I'm certain "college professors" who also cabby but can't answer a single question will be strong contenders. Though strong money says you won't be around.

EDIT: I'm sorry Karl & Haymarket and other ilk, but is this internet profile worse than that of most TV sitcoms? Seriously? College professor/cab driver that has internet time? Please, I know as I type this, you are lurking. So the second I post this, could you two giants of intellect please go ahead and do what you do? Please? Pretty please?
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Are you implying that I cannot be intelligent because I am working class and a "liberal academic".

First, learn to read, my profile says "College Instructor" and "Dispatcher", I do what I need to get by.
Second, I work two jobs and I make time for my hobbies.
Third, apparently you cannot back up your ill-informed, misguided and ignorant assertion that we need to have ID on our persons.
Fourth, I hope you find a nice hat for hat day.
 
Gie said:
I'll be sure to quote this thread on "hat" day at DP next year. I'm certain "college professors" who also cabby but can't answer a single question will be strong contenders. Though strong money says you won't be around.

EDIT: I'm sorry Karl & Haymarket and other ilk, but is this internet profile worse than that of most TV sitcoms? Seriously? College professor/cab driver that has internet time? Please, I know as I type this, you are lurking. So the second I post this, could you two giants of intellect please go ahead and do what you do? Please? Pretty please?
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After reading this.... combined with differences in your earlier posts .... I suspect we do not speak the same language. I have no idea what your point is.
 
haymarket said:
After reading this.... combined with differences in your earlier posts .... I suspect we do not speak the same language. I have no idea what your point is.
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Gie's point is apparently that I am
Gie said:
A poorly drawn and utterly ignorant character. Er college pro and cabbie.
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:rolleyes:

I guess I must be ignorant because I have no idea where this attack came from.
 
MoSurveyor said:
As far as having a SS card goes, it is a very rare occurrence to run into someone without one. No excuse though? You can't dictate people's choices in life. Some people still set up housekeeping the old fashioned way where Mom stays home and Dad works. The Amish probably don't have much need for them, either.
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You can't substitute a SS number fro a picture ID. The illegals have SS numbers, anyway a lot of them do, all bogus of course.
 
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