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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and why wouldn't they be able to vote? If they can get a picture ID for free, what's stopping them from voting?

    Now, in the case of dead people, that could be a problem. Should we disenfranchise dead people?
    Did you even read this thread that discusses how difficult it is to get ID? or the discussion within this thread about who it disenfranchises?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And where in the Constitution do you obtain that standard from?
    I never said deny them the vote, I merely expressed my own opinion. IMO if you are so screwed up you can't even gather enough wits too obtain ID I personally don't want you too vote. Not only that I assume you will vote Dem which brings up a related issue, Dem's wanting to give convicts the vote because most of them would vote Dem which speaks volumes.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Did you even read this thread that discusses how difficult it is to get ID? or the discussion within this thread about who it disenfranchises?
    I lost my BC once and yes I had too jump through some hoops, no big deal really.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I never said deny them the vote, I merely expressed my own opinion. IMO if you are so screwed up you can't even gather enough wits too obtain ID I personally don't want you too vote. Not only that I assume you will vote Dem which brings up a related issue, Dem's wanting to give convicts the vote because most of them would vote Dem which speaks volumes.
    You not wanting somebody to vote and you working to enact measures to increase the chances that that same person will not vote are two very different things.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law - chicagotribune.com





    We have gone through so many years in the United States without Voter ID laws, and we now suddenly need them? Voter fraud is not something that is not common in the United States and this seems like an attempt to disenfranchise certain sets of voters.

    One person, one vote should be the standard. I should be able to trust that my vote is not canceled out from a fraudulent one by a group that wants to disenfranchise me. Hell, you have to show ID for nearly everything from buying cold medicine, to getting a pack of cigarettes, why should it not be the standard, and an easy one to meet btw, for the most important civic duty?


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And where in the Constitution do you obtain that standard from?
    The law is not unconstitutional by any means if that's what you're implying; the constitution leaves responsibility to the states to deem what qualifications they felt were necessary to vote outside of the minimum age requirement and the amendments prohibiting race and gender discrimination.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The law is not unconstitutional by any means if that's what you're implying; the constitution leaves responsibility to the states to deem what qualifications they felt were necessary outside of age, race, and gender.
    Never said it was. That is not my argument. Sawyer said this

    Voting should take a little effort.
    I merely asked where in the Constitution that standard came from.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I never said deny them the vote, I merely expressed my own opinion. IMO if you are so screwed up you can't even gather enough wits too obtain ID I personally don't want you too vote. Not only that I assume you will vote Dem which brings up a related issue, Dem's wanting to give convicts the vote because most of them would vote Dem which speaks volumes.
    Sawyer-- you make a lot of assumptions. In Florida a few years ago the legislature and Gov. Charlie Crist (R) changed the rules and restored voting rights for former convicts.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Sawyer-- you make a lot of assumptions. In Florida a few years ago the legislature and Gov. Charlie Crist (R) changed the rules and restored voting rights for former convicts.

    Charlie Crist was no Republican, other than his designation....He was a progressive, and I believe a great example of what aided in the downfall of the Republican party.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Charlie Crist was no Republican, other than his designation....He was a progressive, and I believe a great example of what aided in the downfall of the Republican party.

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    He was not a tea party right wing Republican. But he was very much a Republican.
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