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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the issue is that your side has FAILED to demonstrate that a significant problems exists in the first place.

    I ask again, how many people have been convicted of voter fraud since starting with the 2000 election cycle?
    See posts 68 & 69. You can extrapolate voter fraud from that total by multiplying by X which equals the likelihood of being caught without identification needed which is probably far over 1 in a thousand and thus enough to turn a close national election around, let alone state and local.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    Really, that's the only reason you can see?

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    I hate that cliche. Call me what you will but no one deserves even the basic info on me unless I say they do.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    I don't have time to read all the replies so I'm just going to state my opinion which might be repetitive.

    Generally I do not see anyone suggesting that anyone has to buy a voter I.D. That isn't done because the courts would boot any such law
    so the ACLU really has no arguement here.

    Now, you have register and get a voters registration card anyway. I don't understand what the problem is in getting a picture I.D. (which you do not have to pay for) as opposed to a simple registration card. How we would do this retroactively would have to be discussed, but any new registrations would be picture I.D.s.

    For those who drive, when you get your D.L. renewed, you then also get voter I.D. Perhaps it could even be a part of the D.L. Just like they note now that you are a donor, they could note that you are a registered voter.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Let's see... when was the last time I had to show picture ID?
    Was it when I used a credit card at WalMart? or, maybe when I entered a national park with my seasoned citizen pass? Perhaps it was last time I ordered a beer? No, that hasn't happened in more than forty years now, so that's not it. I don't generally cash checks at grocery stores any more, so that isn't it. No, it was either the national park or WalMart. Gosh, I felt so disenfranchised having to get out my picture ID.

    Now, when I vote, I won't need it, so how many times can I vote?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I don't have time to read all the replies so I'm just going to state my opinion which might be repetitive.

    Generally I do not see anyone suggesting that anyone has to buy a voter I.D. That isn't done because the courts would boot any such law
    so the ACLU really has no arguement here.

    Now, you have register and get a voters registration card anyway. I don't understand what the problem is in getting a picture I.D. (which you do not have to pay for) as opposed to a simple registration card. How we would do this retroactively would have to be discussed, but any new registrations would be picture I.D.s.

    For those who drive, when you get your D.L. renewed, you then also get voter I.D. Perhaps it could even be a part of the D.L. Just like they note now that you are a donor, they could note that you are a registered voter.
    Why is it that these laws are universally (or nearly so) pushed for by Republicans, when there is absolutely no indication of a voter fraud problem in this country? Georgia passed one of these laws when its former Secretary of State could not recount a single example of voter impersonation during his time in office. Not one incident, but there were 650,000 registered voters who did not have photo IDs. What's the cost to the state of providing those 650,000 IDs? How many millions of hours were wasted providing them? And even then, how many people were denied their chance to vote because they weren't aware of the new law, or becaue they couldn't find, or afford to obtain the documents necessary to obtain the photo ID? And for what? Zero examples of fraud.

    The painfully obvious purpose of these laws is to reduce Democratic voter participation and that is just a fact.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why is it that these laws are universally (or nearly so) pushed for by Republicans, when there is absolutely no indication of a voter fraud problem in this country? Georgia passed one of these laws when its former Secretary of State could not recount a single example of voter impersonation during his time in office. Not one incident, but there were 650,000 registered voters who did not have photo IDs. What's the cost to the state of providing those 650,000 IDs? How many millions of hours were wasted providing them? And even then, how many people were denied their chance to vote because they weren't aware of the new law, or becaue they couldn't find, or afford to obtain the documents necessary to obtain the photo ID? And for what? Zero examples of fraud.

    The painfully obvious purpose of these laws is to reduce Democratic voter participation and that is just a fact.
    Georgia vote fraud - Ballotpedia

    That took about a millionth of a second. What the hell are you talking about?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    See posts 68 & 69. You can extrapolate voter fraud from that total by multiplying by X which equals the likelihood of being caught without identification needed which is probably far over 1 in a thousand and thus enough to turn a close national election around, let alone state and local.
    That loud and irritating BBBBBZZZZZZTTTTTTT going off is the buzzer indicting that you just committed a serious debate foul. You cannot extrapolate anything regarding voter fraud convictions and claim it as evidence. You have to prove it with data.

    Although you did use of of my favorite words and I thank you for that.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That loud and irritating BBBBBZZZZZZTTTTTTT going off is the buzzer indicting that you just committed a serious debate foul. You cannot extrapolate anything regarding voter fraud convictions and claim it as evidence. You have to prove it with data.

    Although you did use of of my favorite words and I thank you for that.
    Mods, I don't care if you zap me or flag me, but sorry Hazelmarket, you are a ditz. I've rarely seen a lamer argument.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Hey.... maybe you should all read the article in the OP....

    just sayin.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Murphy warns the new laws disenfranchise voters like 84-year-old Ruthelle Frank, a plantif in an ACLU lawsuit against the state of Wisconsin. Frank, who has voted in every election since 1948, alleges the state violated her constitutional right to vote by requiring her to show a photo ID.

    Frank does not have a government-issued ID or a birth certificate because she was born at home in the 1920s and acquiring the necessary paperwork to obtain an ID could cost her $200.

    "While in some states the voter ID is provided free of charge, the supporting documents, the birth certificates, the marriage certificates, the passport can add up to significant costs, especially for low income people," Murphy says.
    The law curiously enough affects the poor exclusively. Class voter suppression.

    Next order of business please.

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