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Gay Texas Judge Refuses to Perform Marriage Ceremonies(edited)

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I applaud this woman for standing up for her principles.
 
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Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

I sympathize with her.

And I believe her heart is in the right place.

But I just feel it doesn't help your case to turn around and do the exact same thing that you so adamantly oppose in the first place.
 
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Can judges really refuse that sort of thing? They're civil servants. I have problem with religious leaders refusing their particular service to people, but the government shouldn't be allowed to do so.
 
Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

Can judges really refuse that sort of thing? They're civil servants. I have problem with religious leaders refusing their particular service to people, but the government shouldn't be allowed to do so.


Yes they can and the will have suffer the consequences.

A better query would be if it is criminal? And I would say no.
 
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Why should anyone receive a "marriage certificate"? What for? It's a benefit. I should know, I definitely see the difference on my income tax now lol. Get rid of government marriage and you solve a whole lot of problems.
 
Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

Can judges really refuse that sort of thing? They're civil servants. I have problem with religious leaders refusing their particular service to people, but the government shouldn't be allowed to do so.

I am in favor of gay marriage, but this judge needs to be fired for not doing her job.
 
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Yes they can and the will have suffer the consequences.

A better query would be if it is criminal? And I would say no.

No, it shouldn't be criminal. But for government employees, such as a judge, they should be dismissed for disallowing the law.
 
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No, it shouldn't be criminal. But for government employees, such as a judge, they should be dismissed for disallowing the law.


Judges are elected in Texas. And she has not broken a single law.
 
Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

I am in favor of gay marriage, but this judge needs to be fired for not doing her job.


How does one fire an elected official? Impeachment maybe but firing/ NO.
 
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Judges are elected in Texas. And she has not broken a single law.

Marriage contract is a government issued and recognized contract. Her refusal to issue on when legally requested shows that her personal bias will get in the way of her performing her proper and rightful duties as an important civil servant. A judge is not there to act upon their religious or personal convictions. They are there to make sure the law is upheld (which was not done through refusal of government entity to issue a government contract when lawfully requested) and to ensure justice is served. If she cannot put her religious or personal convictions aside to properly perform her duties as a judge (one of the most important positions we have in relation to exercise of government force against the individual), than she should not be allowed to be a judge.

Inability to do your job should be grounds for dismissal.
 
Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

I am in favor of gay marriage, but this judge needs to be fired for not doing her job.

No Dan.She has every right to work in the areas that she would prefer.
 
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No Dan.She has every right to work in the areas that she would prefer.

No. This ain't the private sector, this is government. They uphold the full of their duty, or they get out. That's it. There's no compromise with government.
 
Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

Marriage contract is a government issued and recognized contract. Her refusal to issue on when legally requested shows that her personal bias will get in the way of her performing her proper and rightful duties as an important civil servant. A judge is not there to act upon their religious or personal convictions. They are there to make sure the law is upheld (which was not done through refusal of government entity to issue a government contract when lawfully requested) and to ensure justice is served. If she cannot put her religious or personal convictions aside to properly perform her duties as a judge (one of the most important positions we have in relation to exercise of government force against the individual), than she should not be allowed to be a judge.

Inability to do your job should be grounds for dismissal.

But the law is upheld here in Texas. The law doesn't say she has marry people.
 
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It appears she's simply refusing to perform any marriage ceremonies at all (which in Texas means straight marriage only). Not sure that she doesn't have that discretion; she probably does.
 
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But the is upheld here in Texas. The law doesn't say she has marry people.

The government must issue contracts which are properly and legally applied for. The government is not allowed to insert personal opinion to the exercise of their duties. They do it, or they get out. That's it. The government cannot be allowed personal bias when executing the duties we charge it with. It either does it, or it gets replaced. That's all there is to it.
 
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I have no problem with her overall action that called attnetion to this story: makes sense seeing as how she herself cannot marry.

I do wish ,though, that she didn't use the "molestation of a young boy" case as an example of how 'homosexual' is sometimes used as a derogatory interchanged with pedophilia. That seemed wrong.
 
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No. This ain't the private sector, this is government. They uphold the full of their duty, or they get out. That's it. There's no compromise with government.

Well, you get fired in the free market. It's a bit more difficult in government (mafia)
 
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It appears she's simply refusing to perform any marriage ceremonies at all (which in Texas means straight marriage only). Not sure that she doesn't have that discretion; she probably does.

If the government is not held to the just and rightful demands of the People, then we are in deep ****.
 
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The government must issue contracts which are properly and legally applied for. The government is not allowed to insert personal opinion to the exercise of their duties. They do it, or they get out. That's it. The government cannot be allowed personal bias when executing the duties we charge it with. It either does it, or it gets replaced. That's all there is to it.


And again Judges are elected in Texas. It is up to the people to vote her out.
 
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Well, you get fired in the free market. It's a bit more difficult in government (mafia)

It is because of their attitude of lording over us and their belief that we should be held to whatever they say whenever they say it. But this is a Republic (at least for now), and as such it is not the government which is the seat of authority and sovereignty; it is the People. We charged the government with issuing the marriage license (actually, they usurped it; but that's another topic all together). When legally requested, they must then issue it. No ifs ands or buts about it.
 
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And again Judges are elected in Texas. It is up to the people to vote her out.

I'm not arguing that point. I'm saying that her decision should lead to her dismissal. There is no point in keeping a civil servant who is hostile to performing their job particularly when it comes to base rights such as contract.
 
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If the government is not held to the just and rightful demands of the People, then we are in deep ****.

I don't think that any particular judge is required to do marriage ceremonies (though I may be wrong; that's a typical thing, but I don't know TX law). She's not doing any.

Now, if she were in a jurisdiction which has both SSM and straight marriage, and she did SSM ceremonies but refused to do straight marriage ceremonies, then there'd be a far stronger claim against her.
 
Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

I don't think that any particular judge is required to do marriage ceremonies (though I may be wrong; that's a typical thing, but I don't know TX law). She's not doing any.

Now, if she were in a jurisdiction which has both SSM and straight marriage, and she did SSM ceremonies but refused to do straight marriage ceremonies, then there'd be a far stronger claim against her.

It is her job to issue the contract. It was rightfully and legally requested. She denied it. End of story. The government must not be allowed to insert personal bias in the execution of law. If she cannot be impartial, than she cannot be a judge. That's it.
 
Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

Can judges really refuse that sort of thing? They're civil servants. I have problem with religious leaders refusing their particular service to people, but the government shouldn't be allowed to do so.

According to what I've read, Texas law does not require any judge to perform weddings at all.
 
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According to what I've read, Texas law does not require any judge to perform weddings at all.

I don't want my civil servants with the ability to use their personal bias to influence the execution of law. That's it. Some of y'all may be ok with it; that's fine. I ain't. My comments stand.
 
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