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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    She is violating her ethical canons by making "pledges or promises of conduct in office regarding pending or impending cases, specific classes of cases, specific classes of litigants, or specific propositions of law that would suggest to a reasonable person that the judge is predisposed to a probable decision in cases within the scope of the pledge; and should leave.

    She is also using her office as a soapbox for her political agenda by refusing perform the marriage ceremony and is acting in a discriminatory manner.

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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can judges really refuse that sort of thing? They're civil servants. I have problem with religious leaders refusing their particular service to people, but the government shouldn't be allowed to do so.
    I think she can because there are other judges that will preform the ceremony.
    I think she's top notch for taking a stand.
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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    No Dan.She has every right to work in the areas that she would prefer.
    But, she doesn't have the right to discriminate against citizens who are performing a leagal act.

    If she were straight and had refused to marry a gay couple, you would be calling for her head.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Marriage contract is a government issued and recognized contract. Her refusal to issue on when legally requested shows that her personal bias will get in the way of her performing her proper and rightful duties as an important civil servant. A judge is not there to act upon their religious or personal convictions. They are there to make sure the law is upheld (which was not done through refusal of government entity to issue a government contract when lawfully requested) and to ensure justice is served. If she cannot put her religious or personal convictions aside to properly perform her duties as a judge (one of the most important positions we have in relation to exercise of government force against the individual), than she should not be allowed to be a judge.

    Inability to do your job should be grounds for dismissal.
    She will come up for a vote.
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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The government must issue contracts which are properly and legally applied for. The government is not allowed to insert personal opinion to the exercise of their duties. They do it, or they get out. That's it. The government cannot be allowed personal bias when executing the duties we charge it with. It either does it, or it gets replaced. That's all there is to it.
    She actually does not preside over marriages as far as I have read.
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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess discrimination is ok...when it's discrimination that we agree with.
    How is what she did discrimination?
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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    She is violating her ethical canons by making "pledges or promises of conduct in office regarding pending or impending cases, specific classes of cases, specific classes of litigants, or specific propositions of law that would suggest to a reasonable person that the judge is predisposed to a probable decision in cases within the scope of the pledge; and should leave.

    She is also using her office as a soapbox for her political agenda by refusing perform the marriage ceremony and is acting in a discriminatory manner.
    does not every politician use their position to express their views and make their specific point?
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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    does not every politician use their position to express their views and make their specific point?
    Not to the point of acting in a discriminatory manner should the occasion arise.

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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Obviously not an opponent of SSM, but I am an opponent of activist judges. It is not the function of the judiciary to make laws or social statements. It is their job to apply the law that already exists to the matter before them. If that matter is officiating over the marriage of a man and a woman, I think the law is crystal clear. There is no room for interpretation, which actually IS the function of the judiciary.

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    Re: Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is her job to issue the contract. It was rightfully and legally requested. She denied it. End of story. The government must not be allowed to insert personal bias in the execution of law. If she cannot be impartial, than she cannot be a judge. That's it.
    Judges do not issue contracts. They overhear or preside over legal matters. Clerks issue the contract. Judges in Texas are not required to preside over marriages. How is she breaking the law? If she doesn't have to do this if she doesn't want to how can you fire her? On what grounds? If you fire her she will sue the state for an illegal practice and win millions and more millions. You can't fire her there is no basis and she is correct anyway.
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