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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what proof do you have of that? seriously?
    The proof is he brought a loaded gun to school. Is that not proof enough?

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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    The proof is he brought a loaded gun to school. Is that not proof enough?
    No it isn't. Action means far less than intent.

    If a boy shoots his sister intentionally because she stole his Cheerios we have a problem.
    If a boy shoots an intruder intentionally because he's threatening the family we have a hero.

    Intent matters. And since you know nothing of intent you cannot make sure a rash, stupid judgment.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    The proof is he brought a loaded gun to school. Is that not proof enough?
    that he is psychotic?

    no, that is not evidence of psychosis.

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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Do you have an actual point here or was this just a hypothetical attempt at eliciting an emotional response?
    It was a valid point.

    Depending on this boy's history, he may not belong in detention at all. Nine-year-old boys do stupid things. I do wonder how in the world a gun would go off in a backpack, but that's why things like that are called accidents.

    His life should not be ruined because of a mistake if there is no prior history of bad behavior. I agree with the poster who said, "Let the boy go home to dad, and put the mom in jail."

    If, however, he does have a history of bad behavior -- out of the norm stuff -- then I think detention and counseling is the exact right thing.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, I made my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It was a valid point.

    Depending on this boy's history, he may not belong in detention at all. Nine-year-old boys do stupid things. I do wonder how in the world a gun would go off in a backpack, but that's why things like that are called accidents.

    His life should not be ruined because of a mistake if there is no prior history of bad behavior. I agree with the poster who said, "Let the boy go home to dad, and put the mom in jail."

    If, however, he does have a history of bad behavior -- out of the norm stuff -- then I think detention and counseling is the exact right thing.
    It would only be a valid point if the scenario that Thunder gave bore any real resemblance to what actually happened. As it stands, heís just trying to make anyone without a trigger lock look like an accident waiting to happen.

    Maggie, my contention here is not whether or not the boy deserves jail, itís that people seem to think that passing additional laws will somehow make criminals more law abiding. As far as the gun going off in a backpack, it does depend on the actual type of gun, but generally speaking you donít throw a gun into a bag with a bunch of other stuff without ensuring that the trigger is covered. Even if the gun has a safety that can be engaged, a loose gun is begging something to get inside the trigger guard and safeties can be knocked off. This is the reason that itís generally not a good idea for a woman to carry in a purse either.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    No it isn't. Action means far less than intent.

    If a boy shoots his sister intentionally because she stole his Cheerios we have a problem.
    If a boy shoots an intruder intentionally because he's threatening the family we have a hero.

    Intent matters. And since you know nothing of intent you cannot make sure a rash, stupid judgment.
    Intentions with the gun are irrelevant. He brought a gun to school. That is not normal behavior. He belongs in a psych ward til the age of 18.

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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Intentions with the gun are irrelevant. He brought a gun to school. That is not normal behavior. He belongs in a psych ward til the age of 18.
    And, again, it is very good you aren't involved in the decision making in this case. Your posts are nothing but rash, uninformed judgments.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Both of you are putting words in my mouth, and demonstrably have little to no knowledge of firearms. At no point did I suggest that loaded firearms be left unsecuredÖ I merely pointed out that a convicted felon is not likely to be too concerned with following the law. Please do your best to keep your hoplophobic biases in check.

    Btw, there are loaded weapons without safties around my two small children 24 hours a day and neither have managed to pick one up, much less take it anywhere. Are you horrified now? Am I an irresponsible parent or what?
    It's not the gun, it's the parent. I grew up in an armed household and the guns were semi-secured but I was taught from an early age that guns are not toys, you don't handle it unless you need to use it or clean it, you don't point at anything you don't want to shoot, they should always be treated as loaded, they are a great responsibility and you can't unkill something.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Intentions with the gun are irrelevant. He brought a gun to school. That is not normal behavior. He belongs in a psych ward til the age of 18.
    You do realize that it wasn't long ago that children would bring guns to school in order to learn how to use them, right?

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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's not the gun, it's the parent. I grew up in an armed household and the guns were semi-secured but I was taught from an early age that guns are not toys, you don't handle it unless you need to use it or clean it, you don't point at anything you don't want to shoot, they should always be treated as loaded, they are a great responsibility and you can't unkill something.
    Thank you! For some reason, it's impossible for some people to wrap their head around this. More laws won't make guns safe. Responsible, law-abiding gun owners make guns safe. The gun owner at the crux of this incident was neither responsible nor law-abiding.
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