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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by anarchomoney View Post
    Hitler and Stalin got tough on guns after they got in power. You're in good company. Surely the prohibition of alcohol worked. In fact it really made the mob a lot of money. Is the war on drugs working?
    Thanks for playing REALLY BAD ANALOGY In your case analogies. But hey, you're a Libercontrarian.. Go figure.

    Shall I list countries with stricter gun control laws that have a lower rate of murders? No of course you wouldn't want to go there.

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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Thanks for playing REALLY BAD ANALOGY In your case analogies. But hey, you're a Libercontrarian.. Go figure.

    Shall I list countries with stricter gun control laws that have a lower rate of murders? No of course you wouldn't want to go there.
    It's like in Singapore where they outlaw chewing gum. But there's no black market in chewing gum. Why? because most people there don't care for chewing gum. Same with guns and "countries with stricter gun laws"

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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Thanks for playing REALLY BAD ANALOGY In your case analogies. But hey, you're a Libercontrarian.. Go figure.

    Shall I list countries with stricter gun control laws that have a lower rate of murders? No of course you wouldn't want to go there.
    If statistics show us anything it's that there is no obvious correlation between gun control and murder rate. The real driving factors behind crime and violence are socioeconomic in nature; culture, poverty level, etc. The fact remains that bans don't work, except in the minds of the naive.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    If statistics show us anything it's that there is no obvious correlation between gun control and murder rate. The real driving factors behind crime and violane are socioeconomic in nature; culture, poverty level, etc. The fact remains that bans don't work, except in the minds of the naive.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    It would only be a valid point if the scenario that Thunder gave bore any real resemblance to what actually happened. As it stands, he’s just trying to make anyone without a trigger lock look like an accident waiting to happen.

    Maggie, my contention here is not whether or not the boy deserves jail, it’s that people seem to think that passing additional laws will somehow make criminals more law abiding. As far as the gun going off in a backpack, it does depend on the actual type of gun, but generally speaking you don’t throw a gun into a bag with a bunch of other stuff without ensuring that the trigger is covered. Even if the gun has a safety that can be engaged, a loose gun is begging something to get inside the trigger guard and safeties can be knocked off. This is the reason that it’s generally not a good idea for a woman to carry in a purse either.
    I completely agree with you that "more laws" won't solve these kinds of problems. Non-crackhead parents would go a long way, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's not the gun, it's the parent. I grew up in an armed household and the guns were semi-secured but I was taught from an early age that guns are not toys, you don't handle it unless you need to use it or clean it, you don't point at anything you don't want to shoot, they should always be treated as loaded, they are a great responsibility and you can't unkill something.
    Totally agree. My family in coal-country Kentucky keeps loaded guns all over the house...a loaded shotgun propped up at both doors. The kids? Not only were they taught never-ever-ever!!! to touch one when they were lil' ones, but by the time they were 9 years-old, they were shooting them safely and skillfully. That isn't the case here, of course. Crack-head mom belongs in jail.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    The boy has left the juvenile detention facility after someone posted $50,000 bail, said Todd Dowell of Kitsap County prosecutor's juvenile division.
    Read more here: Prosecutor: Look at adults in WA school shooting - Wire - State & Regional - bellinghamherald.com

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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You gotta ****tin me? She leaves a loaded gun where a child can get to it and she shouldn't be held liable?

    WTF?
    Not legally. She didn't shoot anyone. She can be fiscally liable as I have already stated (thus meaning that I did not claim that she shouldn't be held liable).
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    From your link:

    While charges have been filed against the boy, the child will not be arraigned until the court determines whether he has the capacity to understand that what he did was wrong.

    Read more here: Prosecutor: Look at adults in WA school shooting - Wire - State & Regional - bellinghamherald.com
    Very sad. The only thing this boy did wrong was to bring a gun to school. If his mother has custody, she should lose it and only be allowed supervised visits. Just a tragedy...
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not legally. She didn't shoot anyone. She can be fiscally liable as I have already stated (thus meaning that I did not claim that she shouldn't be held liable).
    There are other things such as contributing to the delinquincy of a minor - and so on . . . whenever a parent is the reason why a child was able to commit harm or a vile act they get scrutinized and potentially ruled against as a cohort.

    I am a little bit bothered by people minimizing his actions.
    He brought a gun . . . why?
    Was he planning on harming someone? He's not stupid - I'm sure he knew what it was and what it's designed to do. All kids are aware of the purpose of a gun.

    9 years old is old eough to know better. Just because his mother was a filthy lech doesn't mean this boy has been raised in abject squallor with no sense at all.
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    Re: Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    If statistics show us anything it's that there is no obvious correlation between gun control and murder rate. The real driving factors behind crime and violence are socioeconomic in nature; culture, poverty level, etc. The fact remains that bans don't work, except in the minds of the naive.

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