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    Re: Maryland Senate passes same-sex marriage bill

    I'm happy that this happened, but the battle is far from over in Maryland. The deal the legislature reached involves putting the measure on the ballot in November for referendum.
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    Re: Maryland Senate passes same-sex marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm happy that this happened, but the battle is far from over in Maryland. The deal the legislature reached involves putting the measure on the ballot in November for referendum.
    Voting on someone's civil rights just does not make sense to me.
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    inb4 conservatives start complainging about the 'destruction of Amerca's moral values.'
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    Re: Maryland Senate passes same-sex marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Voting on someone's civil rights just does not make sense to me.
    I agree completely - however, on the other hand, if these decisions only come from court rulings, people will complain about it being undemocratic, it being an example of government tyranny, and lacking legitimacy.
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    Re: Maryland Senate passes same-sex marriage bill

    This should result in a nice bump in federal tax receipts.

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    Re: Maryland Senate passes same-sex marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I agree completely - however, on the other hand, if these decisions only come from court rulings, people will complain about it being undemocratic, it being an example of government tyranny, and lacking legitimacy.
    I think my biggest issue with this isn't that it is voted on, although I don't like that part either. It is that they keep insisting that every one of these things be voted on by referendum instead of accepting the votes of their elected reps.

    Interracial marriage was legalized in many states before Loving v. VA, and I am willing to bet that the majority of those states, if not all, did not legalize interracial marriage by voter referendum. It just feels like they are using the referendum thing to slow down the process because they know that the majority of people want to legalize SSM or at least give full marital rights to same sex couples. But they also know that the majority of people will not always vote in every election out there so its like they play the odds.

    Not to mention at least one person on here has admitted that they purposely use specific wording when making referendums, especially against but I wouldn't doubt if they do so when it comes to a referendum for too, to sway or trick the more ignorant voters into believing that same sex marriage being legal would somehow violate other people's rights. That wouldn't really happen as much if it were left to the legislatures.
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    Re: Maryland Senate passes same-sex marriage bill

    Proud of Maryland -- my home state. My wife's from VA and I always joke that she's from the wrong side of the tracks. Now we've got MD approving this civil rights law ... while VA is contemplating state-sponsored rape ... my case is getting stronger and stronger.

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