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    US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

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    Well looks like another violation of our rights has come to pass. Between this and the Patriot Act I might as well just have the government set up video cameras in my house and backyard. This country continues to circle the drain each passing day. Are we people just going to keep taking the punishment?
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    I hope that every politician who voted for this loses their job and loses their privacy because of these things.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
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    Well looks like another violation of our rights has come to pass. Between this and the Patriot Act I might as well just have the government set up video cameras in my house and backyard. This country continues to circle the drain each passing day. Are we people just going to keep taking the punishment?
    Drone hunting anyone?

    When I was a kid a guy down the street had cb radio gear hooked up to a linear amplifier on a channel near the one my r/c car operated on.

    Everytime he keyed the mike my car took off in a straight line at top speed. Finally got to the point i'd knock on his door to let him know I was gonna be playing with the car because I couldn't afford repairs.

    I bet Silly String would take one down too. Lasers for the cameras.

    **** a buncha drones!
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    I work in the airborne electronic surveillance field. All this is doing is changing from a manned platform to an unmanned platform. The surveillance is already there, this doesn't really change anything except to allow for unmanned vehicles to be in the airspace.

    None of the laws changed that have an effect on right to privacy, search and seizure, search warrants, etc.
    The restrictions placed on surveillance over US soil are very strict, as well they should be.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I work in the airborne electronic surveillance field. All this is doing is changing from a manned platform to an unmanned platform. The surveillance is already there, this doesn't really change anything except to allow for unmanned vehicles to be in the airspace.

    None of the laws changed that have an effect on right to privacy, search and seizure, search warrants, etc.
    The restrictions placed on surveillance over US soil are very strict, as well they should be.
    Something I don't understand. I bought a GWS Slow Stick radio controlled airplane, and got a controller for it with one extra channel, that I connected to a digital camera, so I could operate the camera from the radio, and flew it around and took pictures. That wasn't illegal. Working in the industry, can you tell me what the difference is, here?

    I mean, aside from the fact that my plane was junk and the camera I used was crap. But I could have easily bought better equipment, and people do all the time, including live action cameras that broadcast to a ground station.

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Because you are a private citizen. It also has to do with what you do with the video.
    Using it in any official capacity is when the legalities come into play.

    The cameras used on these small UAVs do not have that good of resolution compared to the bigger systems on manned aircraft. It is all a question of the weight of the lens, etc. They work great to watch a Gross picture, but are not very good where a fine resolution is needed. Granted, they can get closer to the subject without detection than an aircraft, but that distance is normally overcome fairly easily by the better equipment.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I work in the airborne electronic surveillance field. All this is doing is changing from a manned platform to an unmanned platform. The surveillance is already there, this doesn't really change anything except to allow for unmanned vehicles to be in the airspace.

    None of the laws changed that have an effect on right to privacy, search and seizure, search warrants, etc.
    The restrictions placed on surveillance over US soil are very strict, as well they should be.
    Automation makes the process easier and more generalized, that's the problem. Where before we had individuals flying helicopters and having to dedicate man hours to it in the specific cases where monitoring was needed, we now have drones doing the work for people and they can fly around looking for crime.

    It's this looking that creates a spy state. Before they would send surveillance if there was a call for such help, now they can do it regardless if crime is happening or not. I don't think this level of control is needed - and if you look at the specifics surrounding the law that passed, the public was not consulted on this issue.

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Because you are a private citizen. It also has to do with what you do with the video.
    Using it in any official capacity is when the legalities come into play. .
    Makes sense. I suppose, also, I was only flying it around in public areas. I guess if I flew it into someone's back yard and snapped pictures through their upstairs bedroom window, it would have been a whole 'nother ballgame.

    Does this law increase the government's ability to break privacy laws without a warrant? I mean, they can't currently use aircraft to peek into your house with court authorization, right?

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    There are obvious privacy implications when dealing with unmanned drones, but those should be handled with laws not trying to ban technology. Aerial surveillance should be allowed only in response to a specific need, regardless of platform. Manned or unmanned, we shouldn't have aircraft flying around recording the populace just because they can.

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    ...Well looks like another violation of our rights has come to pass....
    police take video and pictures from helicopters.

    now remote-controlled drones will do it instead.

    what's the ****ing difference? its still a human piloting the thing and choosing what to monitor.

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