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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

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    Sadly, I'm not mistaken. You only have a right to privacy where a reasonable expectation of privay exist. For instance, if a cop walks pass your house and sees you smoking pot inside your house they can arrest you.
    Again this is why the Judicial system has failed us, this is why the United States has the highest prison population on the planet even though most countries have 10-100 times more people in their populace. It's because we have way too many laws and acts on the books. Everytime a politician passes a law thats one less freedom you have. We have basic laws that keep order and laws of fairness and that's all you need. Now these people are just making laws up for the fun of it and each passing day they take more of our freedoms.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    Again this is why the Judicial system has failed us, this is why the United States has the highest prison population on the planet even though most countries have 10-100 times more people in their populace. It's because we have way too many laws and acts on the books. Everytime a politician passes a law thats one less freedom you have. We have basic laws that keep order and laws of fairness and that's all you need. Now these people are just making laws up for the fun of it and each passing day they take more of our freedoms.
    I'm not disgareeing that the US is ridden with useless laws, I'm simply stating the proper rights of privacy we have. Even if all those useless laws were removed tomorrow, you'd still only have a limite right to privacy.
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    If the Patriot Act and this new Drone law were removed we'd have a hell of alot more freedom and privacy that's a fact.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    If the Patriot Act and this new Drone law were removed we'd have a hell of alot more freedom and privacy that's a fact.
    Once again..... this is not a law. It is a change in a FAA regulation that allows unmanned aircraft to use more airspace. Your rights have not been affected.

    Agree 100% with the Patriot Act, however.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    If the Patriot Act and this new Drone law were removed we'd have a hell of alot more freedom and privacy that's a fact.
    No, you really wouldn't. You aren't entitled to your libray record being private. The reasons the PATACT is so bad is because it allows the US gov to spy on its own citizens without a warrent.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    there is nothing wrong with retro-active warrants.

    if an agency has a trend of doing searches that end up getting the warrants rejected, again and again...THEN we need to change something.

    but until then, a 3-day window to get a retro warrant is fine by me, as long as terrorism against civilians is involved.

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    Again this is why the Judicial system has failed us, this is why the United States has the highest prison population on the planet even though most countries have 10-100 times more people in their populace. It's because we have way too many laws and acts on the books. Everytime a politician passes a law thats one less freedom you have. We have basic laws that keep order and laws of fairness and that's all you need. Now these people are just making laws up for the fun of it and each passing day they take more of our freedoms.

    I think this is due to the fact we have a very efficient law enforcement compared to other countries.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I work in the airborne electronic surveillance field. All this is doing is changing from a manned platform to an unmanned platform. The surveillance is already there, this doesn't really change anything except to allow for unmanned vehicles to be in the airspace.

    None of the laws changed that have an effect on right to privacy, search and seizure, search warrants, etc.
    The restrictions placed on surveillance over US soil are very strict, as well they should be.

    Manned platforms can be seen, unmanned platforms can become small enough so they can't be seen. Any questions?
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Once again..... this is not a law. It is a change in a FAA regulation that allows unmanned aircraft to use more airspace. Your rights have not been affected.

    Agree 100% with the Patriot Act, however.
    A manned platform can't hover in front of my windows without me knowing about it, a small UAS can.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    A manned platform can't hover in front of my windows without me knowing about it, a small UAS can.
    If its viewable from your window you don't have an expectation of privarcy.
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