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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    I think a couple of you guys have a misconception of what a drone is.

    Drones are more accurately called an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). They are not automatons that fly around independent of human input. There are many types, and many sizes. The ones that you see on the news most often are the very large predator type vehicles that are actually the size of a civilian aircraft. Those are flown via satellite uplink and can be flown from the other side of the world.

    The vehicles in question here, are more about the size of a remote-controlled aircraft that a teenager would fly. There is also the restriction that the pilot must maintain visual line of sight with the aircraft at all times.

    This change in the regulation also has no effect whatsoever on the law regarding surveillance. This basically allows your local radio station to do a remote camera instead of a helicopter traffic report during rush hour. It allows the police to follow a vehicle with a remote instead of a helicopter or aircraft. To do that they still have to have the same search warrants or causal factor that they had with the helicopter.

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I think a couple of you guys have a misconception of what a drone is.

    Drones are more accurately called an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). They are not automatons that fly around independent of human input. There are many types, and many sizes. The ones that you see on the news most often are the very large predator type vehicles that are actually the size of a civilian aircraft. Those are flown via satellite uplink and can be flown from the other side of the world.

    The vehicles in question here, are more about the size of a remote-controlled aircraft that a teenager would fly. There is also the restriction that the pilot must maintain visual line of sight with the aircraft at all times.

    This change in the regulation also has no effect whatsoever on the law regarding surveillance. This basically allows your local radio station to do a remote camera instead of a helicopter traffic report during rush hour. It allows the police to follow a vehicle with a remote instead of a helicopter or aircraft. To do that they still have to have the same search warrants or causal factor that they had with the helicopter.

    I am a dedicated opponent of the patriot act. This however, has no effect whatsoever on your personal liberties.
    There we go. I don't imagine a small police force could afford to operate a predator. Operating costs would be too high. Maybe L.A. or New York could manage one, but that would be limited even so.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I think a couple of you guys have a misconception of what a drone is.

    Drones are more accurately called an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). They are not automatons that fly around independent of human input. There are many types, and many sizes. The ones that you see on the news most often are the very large predator type vehicles that are actually the size of a civilian aircraft. Those are flown via satellite uplink and can be flown from the other side of the world.

    The vehicles in question here, are more about the size of a remote-controlled aircraft that a teenager would fly. There is also the restriction that the pilot must maintain visual line of sight with the aircraft at all times.

    This change in the regulation also has no effect whatsoever on the law regarding surveillance. This basically allows your local radio station to do a remote camera instead of a helicopter traffic report during rush hour. It allows the police to follow a vehicle with a remote instead of a helicopter or aircraft. To do that they still have to have the same search warrants or causal factor that they had with the helicopter.

    I am a dedicated opponent of the patriot act. This however, has no effect whatsoever on your personal liberties.
    I've noticed that the FAA is set to clamp down on for-profit, private use of RC aircraft, which kind of sucks. Or rather, I can understand some regulation, but they seem poised to implement some crazy regs requiring RC operators to have full pilot's licenses, and if you operate a heli RC, a helicopter permit. All to operate the same sort of aircraft that hobbyists can operate with no permit or license at all? That'a nutz.

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    There we go. I don't imagine a small police force could afford to operate a predator. Operating costs would be too high. Maybe L.A. or New York could manage one, but that would be limited even so.
    That's very true. Besides predators and the like are proprietary. The military is just not going to give up that technology to just anybody. I see this request for the relaxation of the regulations to be mainly a cost-cutting measure. The money saved on fuel alone would be substantial over the course of only one year.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    That's very true. Besides predators and the like are proprietary. The military is just not going to give up that technology to just anybody. I see this request for the relaxation of the regulations to be mainly a cost-cutting measure. The money saved on fuel alone would be substantial over the course of only one year.
    Hell, it doesn't have to be any predator drone. You can put together a hellacious radio controlled helicopter/camera rig for $50k. You can put together a pretty decent one for under $5k.

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    This is not a bad idea. Drones can fly where it is too dangerous to send a manned aircraft. They are cheaper than manned aircraft and do not suffer from fatigue. This is just another means to watch in an already surveillance heavy society.

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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    I'm honestly on the fence about this. I don't like the idea of making it any easier to put eyes in the sky, but if a warrant is required for anyone to be specifically monitored by drone and there is full disclosure to the public about the specifics of any drone surveillance, I don't think I can be too up in arms about this. I do see the potential for abuse here though, so while advancing techonology is not bad in and of itself, care must be taken to still protect the privacy of the People. Feel free to try sway my opinion one way or the other.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
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    U.S. opening up airspace to use of drones - Technology & science - Science - DiscoveryNews.com - msnbc.com

    Well looks like another violation of our rights has come to pass. Between this and the Patriot Act I might as well just have the government set up video cameras in my house and backyard. This country continues to circle the drain each passing day. Are we people just going to keep taking the punishment?
    What are you talking about? The Patriot Act is an upstanding piece of legislation. I mean, it's not called The Fascist Act, now is it? The government wouldn't lie to us to try to expand their powers against our rights and liberties. Nope, not our government!
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    police take video and pictures from helicopters.

    now remote-controlled drones will do it instead.

    what's the ****ing difference? its still a human piloting the thing and choosing what to monitor.
    Helicopter can't hover outside your second story window and peak through the crack in the curtains.

    My friends AR Drone certainly could.
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    Re: US opens homeland airspace to use Drones

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Helicopter can't hover outside your second story window and peak through the crack in the curtains.

    My friends AR Drone certainly could.
    Well that's no trouble. Just don't smoke your bong in front of the crack in the curtains.
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