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Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

Peter Grimm said:
Sodomy is taking it up the butt.
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according to the laws of many states, until SCOTUS overturned them, it was anal & oral sex...including between married folks.

nevermind the fact that the Bible NEVER defined sodomy, other than as sexual immorality.
 
Thunder said:
according to the laws of many states, until SCOTUS overturned them, it was anal & oral sex...including between married folks.

nevermind the fact that the Bible NEVER defined sodomy, other than as sexual immorality.
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Wasn't the Bible written before the Supreme Court was invented?
 
Grant said:
Where is the lack of honesty?

Why not respond to the question rather than deflect?
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I'm not the one trying to deflect. I'm the one pointing out that Christianity has traditionally been no better than Islam is today. You just don't like the reality.
 
Cephus said:
I'm not the one trying to deflect. I'm the one pointing out that Christianity has traditionally been no better than Islam is today. You just don't like the reality.
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Read the topic heading.

It says "Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death".

Is it your argument that because there have been sins committed by Christians in the past that this Pastor deserves to be put to death by Muslims today? If not, why mention it?

Rather than deal with what you call "tradition", why not deal with the present? It is not much of a challenge to claim that any culture, religion, political party or race has behaved badly in the past. It takes no imagination or intellectual muscle to point out the obvious.

All you are doing, and all anyone who makes this lazy argument is doing, is demonstrating that you lack answers, or even a valid point of view, for the present. The now remains just too complicated for most people and so you avoid discussing the real problem areas of today.
 
Clandestine said:
Lol, how would you know anything about the sexual education in mosques.
Someone who uses Ayatollah Khomeni as an authority to represent Islam.
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It seems obvious that Khomeini, as a religious head of a major Muslim country and much revered during his lifetime throughout the Muslim world, would have to be a fair representation of Islam.

Khomeini authored several books and was very influential, certainly moreso than any other Muslim during that period.
 
Grant said:
It seems obvious that Khomeini, as a religious head of a major Muslim country and much revered during his lifetime throughout the Muslim world, would have to be a fair representation of Islam.

Khomeini authored several books and was very influential, certainly moreso than any other Muslim during that period.
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He got a lot of press from the West. His influence is limited to Persia, and not even all Persians accept him or his version of Islam or Islam.
The majority of the Muslim community is centralized Sunni. They are frequent critics of the Iranian regime and its president. The "scholars" of Iran have a truly strange view of Islam for the centralized Sunni population. To the extent, many Muslim support the strategic fall of Assad regime not only for humanitarian reasons, but their disapproval of any allegiance between Syria and Iran, which Assad was working on.
His influence fell as quickly as it rose because most Muslims don't use him as a source ever. The Iranian revolution doesn't pertain to the larger Muslim countries and population. The version of Islam there is very isolated except for the sporadic Shia Muslims elsewhere.
 
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Clandestine said:
He got a lot of press from the West. His influence is limited to Persia, and not even all Persians accept him or his version of Islam or Islam.
The majority of the Muslim community is centralized Sunni. They are frequent critics of the Iranian regime and its president. The "scholars" of Iran have a truly strange view of Islam for the centralized Sunni population. To the extent, many Muslim support the strategic fall of Assad regime not only for humanitarian reasons, but their disapproval of any allegiance between Syria and Iran, which Assad was working on.
His influence fell as quickly as it rose because most Muslims don't use him as a source ever. The Iranian revolution doesn't pertain to the larger Muslim countries and population. The version of Islam there is very isolated except for the sporadic Shia Muslims elsewhere.
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That really doesn't conflict with what I said.

But of course there are no international Muslim protests over the death notice of this Pastor as there was against the Mohammed cartoons, for example. Or the Korans being accidentally burnt in Afghanistan which sparked the latest Muslim "outrage", riots and murders. On this Muslims remain silent or deflect to other areas.

To be a Muslim now is to align oneself with ignorance.
 
Grant said:
That really doesn't conflict with what I said.

But of course there are no international Muslim protests over the death notice of this Pastor as there was against the Mohammed cartoons, for example. Or the Korans being accidentally burnt in Afghanistan which sparked the latest Muslim "outrage", riots and murders. On this Muslims remain silent or deflect to other areas.

To be a Muslim now is to align oneself with ignorance.
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YOUR posts actually prove the opposite, regarding alignment with ignorance
 
Grant said:
That really doesn't conflict with what I said.

But of course there are no international Muslim protests over the death notice of this Pastor as there was against the Mohammed cartoons, for example. Or the Korans being accidentally burnt in Afghanistan which sparked the latest Muslim "outrage", riots and murders. On this Muslims remain silent or deflect to other areas.

To be a Muslim now is to align oneself with ignorance.
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Why? hes dumb?
 
justabubba said:
YOUR posts actually prove the opposite, regarding alignment with ignorance
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Really?

I am protesting the murder of an innocent man by Muslims while Muslims are not protesting against this vile and heinous act. Instead they are protesting against the defacement of a book, one which they deliberately defaced themselves.

After all these years do you really require further evidence of Islamic ignorance? Why?
 
Grant said:
I am protesting the murder of an innocent man by Muslims while Muslims are not protesting against this vile and heinous act. Instead they are protesting against the defacement of a book, one which they deliberately defaced themselves.
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But he's not innocent, he demonstrably broke the established law and is facing the proscribed penalty. He's not innocent, he's guilty.
 
Cephus said:
But he's not innocent, he demonstrably broke the established law and is facing the proscribed penalty. He's not innocent, he's guilty.
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Not only this he can get off scott free at any moment. I don't see why he's trying to score cool points overseas...
 
Grant said:
Really?

I am protesting the murder of an innocent man by Muslims while Muslims are not protesting against this vile and heinous act. Instead they are protesting against the defacement of a book, one which they deliberately defaced themselves.

After all these years do you really require further evidence of Islamic ignorance? Why?
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i point to your posts to illustrate the ongoing ignorance
that fostered by the intolerant
those like you
doesn't matter the religion
those who are self righteous and leave no room for any doubt are the ones inclined to cause the problems - all in the name of [insert religion name here]
yes, it can be moslems. those who will encourage the ignorant to do heinous acts in the name of their G-d. 9/11 is only the worst act of many
same for the jews. look at the injustice they inflict in gaza
ditto for the Christians. every Christian should be embarrassed by the likes of the westboro church group and its uncivil actions

even within these religions the sub-groups fight among each other because each will not tolerate the alternate views of the other
we see this with the sunnis and the shia
the catholics and the protestants
we see the reformed jews at odds with the orthodox jews
the common thread is intolerance. something with which you are obviously well acquainted

but a look at your posts on this topic will reveal great ignorance. because you exhibit great intolerance of another religious view
you asked. i answered. unfortunately, it was probably a waste of my time to respond to a closed mind. please prove me wrong
 
Nicer countries throw folks like grant in the can for this type of speech. :shrug:
And folks like grant think its because its true :roll:
 
Peter Grimm said:
That's different. That's your wife. That's not what's spreading AIDS around Africa. It's hookers, rape, and sleeping around.
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She wasn't my wife when we were dating and this all happened before I even proposed to her. Not going in on the fact I had sex with other women BEFORE I met her and not married as well.

Again, NO, I don't think sex before marriage is immoral. I happen to think it is quite healthy and I've always used condoms (even when we first got married for 3 years cause we didn't want kids at the time). Protection is always better.
 
Cephus said:
But he's not innocent, he demonstrably broke the established law and is facing the proscribed penalty. He's not innocent, he's guilty.
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Right. Under Islamic law.

That's why I am calling practitioners of this backward and barbaric faith "ignorant". I would say the same if Christians were to ever do such a thing to a Muslim.

No one should get a free pass for this sort of crime against another human being.
 
Grant said:
Right. Under Islamic law.

That's why I am calling practitioners of this backward and barbaric faith "ignorant". I would say the same if Christians were to ever do such a thing to a Muslim.

No one should get a free pass for this sort of crime against another human being.
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find it hard to believe that you did not express your opposition to a moslem mosque being built near the 9/11 site
only because it was for the people of that faith
the hypocrisy is tangible
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Nicer countries throw folks like grant in the can for this type of speech. :shrug:
And folks like grant think its because its true :roll:
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I'm criticizing Muslims the way other religions are often criticized. I don't see the problem here. Do you believe Muslims are a special case because they murder and riot when offended?

Calling me names isn't going to advance the advance the argument as to whether Muslims are backward or not. The evidence against them speaks for itself.
 
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