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Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

Peter Grimm said:
People are free to follow any religious leader they please.

Morality, though, is absolute and its basic rules are common to all human beings. Thus, a religious leader gains moral authority by guiding his followers toward this absolute morality.

In this case, the Iranian government is acting in a way that is evil.

Therefore, that the ayatollahs have no moral authority.
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Hooray for more internet logic....
 
MKULTRABOY said:
You've got every right to alienate planet earth and get one of our cities nuked...
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You do know that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons yet right? We can wipe their lousy rights violating asses right off the face of he planet, and not a damn country in the world do a thing about it...especially not Iran.

Not to mention...you said, "Might makes right." So we would be right anyway. Nobody else is going to try to nuke us with MAD on the table.
 
stonewall50 said:
You do know that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons yet right? We can wipe their lousy rights violating asses right off the face of he planet, and not a damn country in the world do a thing about it...especially not Iran.

Not to mention...you said, "Might makes right." So we would be right anyway. Nobody else is going to try to nuke us with MAD on the table.
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I know you would enjoy nuking a few dozen million people to get some 'rights violators'. That doesnt mean someone on this planet wouldnt be 15,000x more motivated to sneak a nuke into the US. It's a severely retarded idea. Especially with China becoming hot **** youd shatter the world into a multipolar place not so fun for our country.

Since you agree with might makes right I'm glad this thread is resolved.

I hope this christian doesnt get himself executed.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Iran happens to have majority approval of its own government :shrug:.
Im certain with more details the story is nothing how we imagine it from here.
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RIiiiiiight....because we all know Iran doesn't commit human rights violations, hang people for no reason, or have one of the most oppressive systems of rule in the world.

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I have some google image searches for you:

Iran tolerance, Iran human rights, hell Iranian Cranes.

I'm sure you don't have the guts to do that, but let's just say here in the CIVILIZED part of the world we don't use cranes to hang people. They do in Iran. Lol. You are hilarious. Where are you from anyway? Iran?
 
MKULTRABOY said:
I know you would enjoy nuking a few dozen million people to get some 'rights violators'. That doesnt mean someone on this planet wouldnt be 15,000x more motivated to sneak a nuke into the US. It's a severely retarded idea. Especially with China becoming hot **** youd shatter the world into a multipolar place not so fun for our country.
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Lol. Speaking from merely nuclear and geographic perspective...do you know how big the US is and how small a nuke explosion is to that? And China isn't a "threat." He who controls the oceans controls the world my...little pony. We have 11 aircraft carriers out of the 26 in the world. They have 1...1...Soviet era carrier that was JUST launched. Not to mention if China EVER tried anything on the United States...not only would we welch on debts (they wouldn't want that)...they aren't so stupid as to not understand MAD.

Since you agree with might makes right I'm glad this thread is resolved.
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Those were your words. I believe in human rights. One of the most fundamental is freedom of religion. You are hilarious. You think Iran is a tollerant place huh? You think they are a threat to the United States? :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
MKULTRABOY said:
the only way to analogise any rape to this situation is if you had the ability to leave if you wanted, adding "WHUT IF DEY KANT" is adding a condition that invalidates the example to suit your argument... keep trying.
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Because being locked in prison gives you the ability to escape? Never mind the fact that Iran is probably the LEAST tollerant place on Earth...but let's look at the evidence...Iran is a tollerant place...so if he recants he will certainly be set free...oops. Iran isn't tollerant.

Anyway. It you are still saying it is alright to try and rape someone, or try and kill someone if you give them a warning.

Who the **** does he think he is? Christ?
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So a guy who is a Christian...who worships Christ...thinks he is Christ?

And if anyone with any balls that was christian really knew for himself that he was a true martyr they'd be lobbing a bomb at Iran already.
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A martyr doesn't strap a bomb to their chest for 72 virgins. A matyr doesn't kill for the cause. That would be a Jihadist. A matyr dies for the cause. And are you in favor of lobbing bombs at Iran?

When a settler walks into 'holy land' with an uzi to take someones home he doesn't give them a chance to keep it.
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What?

Got an actual source, and how does it relate to this case in any way? These are two different cases... random link on internet by a nobody that wants me to hate Iran really doesnt help you.
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Standard dodge here. I don't want to actually post all the pictures from google of all the women and children being hanged. I am pretty sure that is a violation of content for this forum. But you can google it yourself. You know damn well they murder women and children all the time. This is NOT a new thing. This is a FACT. An undeniable FACT that they hang children and women, and stone rape victims. You clearly are in favor of this.

I never said I supported anything...
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Silence is implied consent. Not to mention you ARE defending the murder of people for a human right, the murder of children for being victims of crimes like rape, and the hanging of gays....because according to you "might makes right."

don't give a **** about Iran.
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Then why are you fighting so hard to back their play on killing this man? What do you have a problem with? Let's backtrack now.

He's a false martyr.
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Actually...by the very definition of martyr...he is one. Do you even know what it means? Serious. Stop holding out and read TS Eliot.

But this does highlight a bigger issue here. You don't understand WHY his faith is so important. Are you an atheist? Because you clearly do not understand just how important religion is to some people. Religion is not just "oh I believe this." It isn't some oath you take at a Frat house. It ain't some members only club that you can sign up for or leave, it ain't a country club. It is something that you put your ENTIRE being into. You are a part of this till you die. It isn't this Pastor's fault you don't understand how important and how much this actually means. Don't condemn him because you don't understand the true value of religion.
 
Can you try to answer again without changing the terms of every argument that passes by you?

I can spell out every line where you manipulate the argument to suit you. But it's getting to the point where I feel like I'd have to be paid $15 to make it worth my 30 mins of time.
 
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Cephus said:
Yet not so much to realize how problematic it is?
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what is problematic ? do i claim that religion is scientific ,dont you agree with me at this point?
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Can you try to answer again without changing the terms of every argument that passes by you?

I can spell out every line where you manipulate the argument to suit you. But it's getting to the point where I feel like I'd have to be paid $15 to make it worth my 30 mins of time.
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Can you tell me what a martyr is? Didn't think so.
 
Medusa said:
what is problematic ? do i claim that religion is scientific ,dont you agree with me at this point?
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No, you do not claim religion is scientific. However, it ought to be, at least in the sense that people ought to believe things that are factually true and reject things for which there is no objective evidence. The fact that people believe absurd, unsupported things and demand that they are true for no other reason than it makes them feel good is ridiculous.
 
Cephus said:
No, you do not claim religion is scientific. However, it ought to be, at least in the sense that people ought to believe things that are factually true and reject things for which there is no objective evidence. The fact that people believe absurd, unsupported things and demand that they are true for no other reason than it makes them feel good is ridiculous.
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it is called 'belief' and how can you determine what people should believe or not,we are not discussing about the law of gravity and we dont need any objective evidence,if i claim that newton is wrong ,you have the right to ask me to present any evidence to disprove that scientific law.
what is more, i had posted some verses from qoran that points out some scientific facts which are known to be proven but as far as i think you had asked the scientific definitions of the statements in the verses.this is impossible because this is not science so we dont need any objective.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
When Spain had its inquisitions, was Christianity to blame?

I'm a strong Christian, but you can't blame Islam the religion for this atrocity without being hypocritical. The blame is with Iran.

The Christian who is given the death sentence in Iran is a martyr, just like the early martyrs of the Christian faith.

His death will have a lot of meaning.
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In fact Muslims are doing much the same thing as Iran in several areas of the world.The problem is Islam, and always has been.
 
Grant said:
In fact Muslims are doing much the same thing as Iran in several areas of the world.The problem is Islam, and always has been.
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And when Christianity was doing the same thing a couple hundred years ago? The problem is religion and always has been.
 
Grant said:
In fact Muslims are doing much the same thing as Iran in several areas of the world.The problem is Islam, and always has been.
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The problem is with Iran. Tyrants, Dictators, and countries that use religion by basterdizing it to suit their needs are the problem.

There are peaceful Muslims out there which PROVE Islam is not the problem. If there were NO PEACFUL Muslims at all, then you would have a point, but there are.

There is not one religion out there that hasn't been basterdized by someone to suit their needs.
 
TheNextEra said:
The problem is with Iran. Tyrants, Dictators, and countries that use religion by basterdizing it to suit their needs are the problem.
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No, there are many areas of the world where Muslims are creating a great deal of problems, against other Muslims as well as those of other religions. That you don't know about this does not mean it is not happening.
There are peaceful Muslims out there which PROVE Islam is not the problem. If there were NO PEACFUL Muslims at all, then you would have a point, but there are.
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I'm sure there are many peaceful Muslims but that would be despite islam, not because of it.
There is not one religion out there that hasn't been basterdized by someone to suit their needs.
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Islam seems particularly vulnerable to this bastardization. It's happened throughout history and is also happening during our lifetimes.
 
No, there are many areas of the world where Christians are creating a great deal of problems, against other Christians as well as those of other religions. That you don't know about this does not mean it is not happening.


I'm sure there are many peaceful Christians but that would be despite Christianity, not because of it.


Christianity seems particularly vulnerable to this bastardization. It's happened throughout history and is also happening during our lifetimes.
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i tested that statement for another religion
it was just as absurd then, too
 
Grant said:
In fact Muslims are doing much the same thing as Iran in several areas of the world.The problem is Islam, and always has been.
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The problem I have with that reasoning is that not all Muslims agree with this behavior. I have had many Muslim friends in my life, and I am certain that every one of them would condemn Iran for killing this man.

I'm not denying that there is a pattern of radicalism in many Muslim countries. However, I'm not prepared to sit in judgement of all Muslims as I am certain that most of them are upstanding people.
 
Grant said:
If it is your intention to create absurdities rather than deal in facts then you are doing an adequate job of it.
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i was not seeking to create an absurdity but to point one out: your post
 
Cephus said:
And when Christianity was doing the same thing a couple hundred years ago? The problem is greed, power, politics, and people and always has been.
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There I think that works much better.
 
Peter Grimm said:
What about all the good Christians?
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They don't count obviously. All the donations, charities, universities, anti-slavery movements, and all that don't count when put next to all the "evil" things that were done.

lol
 
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