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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    This is a horrible violation of human rights and only proves that Iran's government and laws are both barbaric and dangerous. I sincerely hope that this man is able to live and escape the death sentence, but I admire his faith in the midst of ultimate persecution.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Truly Sad that there are still entire societies dwelling in the dark ages.
    States certainly but not an entire society, this never took place when Iranians could vote in free and fair elections

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That's cool, Medusa. To each their own. I just don't want anyone to think that trying to force this Christian pastor to acknowledge Muhammed in a religious sense is anything less than trying to force him to renounce his entire religion. I have great respect for the man for holding firm to his beliefs even in the face of potential death.
    i respect him too,because he is brave enough to change his beliefs as a person living in iran.i was trying to explain what muslims usually think about christ.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Your missing the point. We're SUPPOSED to blame the Muslims, because they're Muslims!
    It's pretty hard no to blame them for this, isn't it? Or are muslims never to be held accountable for anything? This is being done in the name of their religion, and I'd bet you most muslims in Iran have no problem with it.

    This constant defense of everything any Muslim country does on the basis of dislike for the U.S. and its foreign policy is bizarre.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    It's pretty hard no to blame them for this, isn't it? Or are muslims never to be held accountable for anything? This is being done in the name of their religion, and I'd bet you most muslims in Iran have no problem with it.

    This constant defense of everything any Muslim country does on the basis of dislike for the U.S. and its foreign policy is bizarre.
    no this is being done in the name of islamist ideology......

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The acceptable way for Iran to handle it is - death by drone. And then claim it as an accident, again...and again...and again. This way is apparently not barbaric. High tech killing is the honorable way. Plus, you can always say, "Oops, sorry. We didn't mean to, but what the hell. It wasn't on purpose. We'll be more care when we kill people with drones in the future."
    Another entry in the Worst analogy in the World contest.

    What is with you people? Can you not condemn an act of barbarism by Iran without taking shots at your own country? Were you also crying crocodile tears for poor Osama bin Laden, killed by those evil Americans?

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    no this is being done in the name of islamist ideology......
    I think that's what I said.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I think that's what I said.
    no islam is different from radical islamist ideology ,and muslims are different from radical islamists.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    To quote the Brothers Karamazov Chapter VII:

    This soldier had been taken prisoner in some remote part of Asia, and was threatened with an immediate agonizing death if he did not renounce Christianity and follow Islam. He refused to deny his faith, and was tortured, flayed alive, and died, praising and glorifying Christ. Grigory had related the story at table. Fyodor Pavlovitch always liked, over the dessert after dinner, to laugh and talk, if only with Grigory. This afternoon he was in a particularly good-humored and expansive mood. Sipping his brandy and listening to the story, he observed that they ought to make a saint of a soldier like that, and to take his skin to some monastery. “That would make the people flock, and bring the money in.”

    Grigory frowned, seeing that Fyodor Pavlovitch was by no means touched, but, as usual, was beginning to scoff. At that moment Smerdyakov, who was standing by the door, smiled. Smerdyakov often waited at table towards the end of dinner, and since Ivan's arrival in our town he had done so every day.

    “What are you grinning at?” asked Fyodor Pavlovitch, catching the smile instantly, and knowing that it referred to Grigory.

    “Well, my opinion is,” Smerdyakov began suddenly and unexpectedly in a loud voice, “that if that laudable soldier's exploit was so very great there would have been, to my thinking, no sin in it if he had on such an emergency renounced, so to speak, the name of Christ and his own christening, to save by that same his life, for good deeds, by which, in the course of years to expiate his cowardice.”

    “How could it not be a sin? You're talking nonsense. For that you'll go straight to hell and be roasted there like mutton,” put in Fyodor Pavlovitch.
    [pg 138]

    It was at this point that Alyosha came in, and Fyodor Pavlovitch, as we have seen, was highly delighted at his appearance.

    “We're on your subject, your subject,” he chuckled gleefully, making Alyosha sit down to listen.

    “As for mutton, that's not so, and there'll be nothing there for this, and there shouldn't be either, if it's according to justice,” Smerdyakov maintained stoutly.

    “How do you mean ‘according to justice’?” Fyodor Pavlovitch cried still more gayly, nudging Alyosha with his knee.

    “He's a rascal, that's what he is!” burst from Grigory. He looked Smerdyakov wrathfully in the face.

    “As for being a rascal, wait a little, Grigory Vassilyevitch,” answered Smerdyakov with perfect composure. “You'd better consider yourself that, once I am taken prisoner by the enemies of the Christian race, and they demand from me to curse the name of God and to renounce my holy christening, I am fully entitled to act by my own reason, since there would be no sin in it.”
    A theological discussion continues.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    fydor ,one of the most horrible characters in the classics.

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