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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    I will reserve judgement, but according to the news source, the book is from about 500 years after Christ. The four Gospel accounts we use were written within mere decades of the life of Christ. Color me HIGHLY skeptical, especially as it would directly contradict was we already know about Christ...
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is why you must have SECULAR government.
    Don't lump all religions in to one.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those who argue against secular governments argue for this form of religious abuse.
    Lies! I want more religion in the government, and I want nothing of this type of abuse.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Lies! I want more religion in the government, and I want nothing of this type of abuse.
    But it is a side effect.

    If you make government of one particular religion you are naturally going to alienate people.

    Government should be a place where all people can come together, and where no one is left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Here we are, in the year of our Lord 2012, and still we have a so-called civilized people who follow a so-called "peaceful" religion, that is capable of a barbaric ruling such as this.

    Yet more proof that indeed there are inferior people walking this earth. This wasn't decided by some backwards tribe in the desert; this came down from state leadership. More reason to not to look at Iran through the eyes of reason. Iran is fully and predictably capable of the worst our species can imagine.

    This is why Israel is so antsy. It's surrounded by Neanderthals.
    partly you are right ,but how did you relate this issue to israel

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I don't know of any brand of Christianity that recognizes Muhammed as a prophet, just as there aren't any religions oustide of Christianity that recognizes Jesus is the Son of God. To force him to declare that Muhammed is a prophet of God, is to force him to renounce his entire faith. You're deflecting by bringing Israel into this. Is Israel set to kill someone if they don't renounce their religion? I like you, MK, but your selective outrage is as ****ing annoying as it is transparent.
    islam recognizes christ as the prophet , and all muslims accept his dignity .but generally they cant imagine god and jesus as a zeus and a hercules


    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I can't believe I have to explain this, but a prophet is a religious designation, it's not some secular historical title, like "president" or "king" or something. As a Christian, I don't believe Muhammed to be a prophet and it would violate my religious beliefs if I was forced to say he was, just as it would violate a Jewish person's religion to try to force them to acknowledge Christ.

    yes you are right as a christian ,but i have to believe in christ to not to violate my own belief ,in fact ,i love all of them and find mystic personally
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Don't lump all religions in to one.
    yes one of them is the right one.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I do NOT accept this. That is part of religion. That is NOT my belief. I can believe that Muhammad THOUGHT he was talking to Gabriel...but I don't believe he was. All this garbage you are saying here...it is all religous stuff. It isn't "historical fact" and he isn't a prophet of God. If you choose to believe he was...that is YOUR perogative. I choose not. Anyone put to death on that basis lives in a barbaric society that should not be tollerated.




    It very much does in religion. If I do not accept him or know him...that makes me a non-believer. Something I have a right to be. And all Christianity does NOT recognize Muhammad as a prophet.



    Then take it up with the Councils of Nicea and Carthage. They concluded what books would make up the Cannon. You could also talk to Luther if you like. The fact is that Muhammad is NOT a part of Christianity. He isn't KNOWN because Christianity cuts off before he is even alive. Now...should I have a noose put around my neck because I have a problem accept Muhammad as a prophet into my religion...which had concluded discussion on the Cannon 200 years prior?

    I also REALLY have to take issue with a part of this and point it out again: "Transmitted by the same God." The Dove Outreach whackjob claims to be speaking for "My God" as well. But for some reason "godhatesfags.com" just doesn't fit in with my religion. I DON'T believe Muhammad was speaking FOR God or Translating through a divine prophet. That is why I am NOT a Muslim. How is that hard to grasp?



    I wish I lived in your world where apperently planes and boats don't exist. It would be interesting to see what it would look like. But here in this world...a power that has nuclear weapons can probably figure out how to make small suitcase bombs, and then figure out how to smuggle them. It isn't like our border is that secure. Not to mention the big nukes that they could use on Israel? Sure that wouldn't disrupt the entire Middle East and possibily starting all kinds of problems? Seriously? Do understand how unstable and problematic it could be if Iran...a country that Hangs people because they think a little differently...got ahold of nuclear weapons? Not to mention...how solid are THEIR borders?



    Ever read Murder in the Cathedral? It is by T.S. Eliot. This man is a TRUE martyr. Nothing to gain from death. Willingly goes anyway. Has appealed to rationality, but is instead being fed to the lions for his belief anyway. All you have to defend Iran is that he should have lied? That isn't the point. The point is that Iran is a barbaric nation. If you expect me to be "tollerant" of their actions I won't. They are WRONG and you know it. We draw a ****ing cartoon of Muhammad and those people in Iran go ape ****. Why shouldn't we get pissed off over them killing an innocent man?
    stonewall,christ is not a historical fact,either ,who can prove both muhammed and christ really lived scientifically ? there is no historical record that proves they had lived.,but we as believers have to accept their existence.. i think it must be easier to believe that someone is the prophet of god than to believe he is the son of god.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    peter ,do you have a just criteria to determine which religion is the right one,in qoran, god says that he examines us through different books and beliefs,even if he claims islam is the last religion...

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    peter ,do you have a just criteria to determine which religion is the right one,in qoran, god says that he examines us through different books and beliefs,even if he claims islam is the last religion...
    I believe Jesus' message to be the most holy. He taught us to love even our enemies. He taught us the message of forgiveness. It is easy to hate, to allow revenge grow in our hearts. It is difficult to love those that hate us. The message of love and forgiveness must be holy.

    He taught us this, and he lived a non-violent life, and died a martyr.

    I don't know much about Muhammad, but I do know that he was a warrior. He spread his message to Mecca and elsewhere with the sword, which to me can not be the way of a true prophet of God.

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