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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    DiAnna I think hes damned ignorant. He joined a brand of Christianity that doesn't recognize that Muhammad was a prophet, no **** he was a profit, as was Christ, to ignore that is to be ignorant of history basically. All he had to do was confirm that at least Muhammad was a prophet and nothing else and he would've been fine and not caused suffering to his family and an international spectacle. They would've allowed him to remain a christian, and alive.
    Christianity does not recognize Muhammad as a profit. Neither does Judiasm. Neither does any other religion that is NOT Islam. That is why we are all infidels. A profit in religous terms means that they speak for God. If we believed he spoke for God, then we would be Muslims.

    He wasn't damned ignorant. He expected religous tollerance. Clearly that isn't something they are big on in Iran.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Selective ignorance my balls.
    Some christian think Muslims worship a different god. Last I checked history... that isn't the case.
    They can **** right off too... like a bunch of ignorant hicks.
    They were going to let him live if he confirmed a historical fact, there has been a handful of prophets on earth and it's pretty obvious.
    Confirming that Muhammad was a prophet does not violate Christianity. Islam recognizes Christ respectably.

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    I also mentioned that Israel has demolished christian churches as well, not to mention abused the members of their communities.
    But y'all don't seem to mind this.
    1) Allah and God are the same. That isn't where Islam and Christianity differ. We differ on Muhammad. We don't recognize him as speaking for God as a prophet.

    2)Historical fact would be that he existed. At least this is contested, but I myself find it hard to believe that he didn't exist. Historical fact is NOT that he was a prohet of God as I know him.

    3) Us "ignorant hicks" should not be forced to believe the teachings of Muhammad.

    4) While I am not going to get into a debate about Israel, I will say that they are NOT on my radar of dangerous to Western Society as a whole because of their possession of nuclear weapons.

    End of the day this is about the man being executed for his faith. He does not recognize Muhammad as a prophet of God. It is brave him, because it is clear that that nation has 0 tollerance of anything out of the norm.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

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    1) Allah and God are the same. That isn't where Islam and Christianity differ. We differ on Muhammad. We don't recognize him as speaking for God as a prophet.

    2)Historical fact would be that he existed. At least this is contested, but I myself find it hard to believe that he didn't exist. Historical fact is NOT that he was a prohet of God as I know him.

    3) Us "ignorant hicks" should not be forced to believe the teachings of Muhammad.

    4) While I am not going to get into a debate about Israel, I will say that they are NOT on my radar of dangerous to Western Society as a whole because of their possession of nuclear weapons.

    End of the day this is about the man being executed for his faith. He does not recognize Muhammad as a prophet of God. It is brave him, because it is clear that that nation has 0 tollerance of anything out of the norm.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Oh **** you're not saying the christian bible and the story of christ have been edited now. That'd be nuts.

    1) Allah and God are the same. That isn't where Islam and Christianity differ. We differ on Muhammad. We don't recognize him as speaking for God as a prophet.
    Lesson, he did not speak FOR god... he apparently transmitted the word of the god of abraham through the angel gabriel, known to all faiths.
    2)Historical fact would be that he existed. At least this is contested, but I myself find it hard to believe that he didn't exist. Historical fact is NOT that he was a prohet of God as I know him.
    As you know him doesn't matter.
    3) Us "ignorant hicks" should not be forced to believe the teachings of Muhammad.
    They are transmitted from the same god, and similar to other texts transmitted to humans through prophets by said god. I fail to see the issue.

    4) While I am not going to get into a debate about Israel, I will say that they are NOT on my radar of dangerous to Western Society as a whole because of their possession of nuclear weapons.
    Neither is Iran. Funny, how curiously analyzing a little geopolitics and hard power shows that we just may perhaps be an existential threat to them.

    End of the day this is about the man being executed for his faith. He does not recognize Muhammad as a prophet of God. It is brave him, because it is clear that that nation has 0 tollerance of anything out of the norm.
    It was dumb... he could've lied, they frankly would've let the guy live even knowing he could get off with lying, all he had to do was say muhammad was a prophet. His bravery made his kids fatherless. He probably just had to sing it with a little spirit or something.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    I can't believe I have to explain this, but a prophet is a religious designation, it's not some secular historical title, like "president" or "king" or something. As a Christian, I don't believe Muhammed to be a prophet and it would violate my religious beliefs if I was forced to say he was, just as it would violate a Jewish person's religion to try to force them to acknowledge Christ.

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    Why would I hate that? Do you know what the Council of Nicea is? Or Council of Carthage? We Christians have actually had this whole what books of the Bible should be included debate...oh I don't know 1700 years ago. Of course some of us didn't really care much of the way that body was working...so someone that wasn't famous then got a paper, quill, ink, a hammer, and a nail and let that Church know.

    MY faith is what matters. I could care less about what "other books" there were.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Lesson, he did not speak FOR god... he apparently transmitted the word of the god of abraham through the angel gabriel, known to all faiths.
    I do NOT accept this. That is part of religion. That is NOT my belief. I can believe that Muhammad THOUGHT he was talking to Gabriel...but I don't believe he was. All this garbage you are saying here...it is all religous stuff. It isn't "historical fact" and he isn't a prophet of God. If you choose to believe he was...that is YOUR perogative. I choose not. Anyone put to death on that basis lives in a barbaric society that should not be tollerated.


    As you know him doesn't matter.
    It very much does in religion. If I do not accept him or know him...that makes me a non-believer. Something I have a right to be. And all Christianity does NOT recognize Muhammad as a prophet.

    They are transmitted from the same god, and similar to other texts transmitted to humans through prophets by said god. I fail to see the issue.
    Then take it up with the Councils of Nicea and Carthage. They concluded what books would make up the Cannon. You could also talk to Luther if you like. The fact is that Muhammad is NOT a part of Christianity. He isn't KNOWN because Christianity cuts off before he is even alive. Now...should I have a noose put around my neck because I have a problem accept Muhammad as a prophet into my religion...which had concluded discussion on the Cannon 200 years prior?

    I also REALLY have to take issue with a part of this and point it out again: "Transmitted by the same God." The Dove Outreach whackjob claims to be speaking for "My God" as well. But for some reason "godhatesfags.com" just doesn't fit in with my religion. I DON'T believe Muhammad was speaking FOR God or Translating through a divine prophet. That is why I am NOT a Muslim. How is that hard to grasp?

    Neither is Iran. Funny, how curiously analyzing a little geopolitics and hard power shows that we just may perhaps be an existential threat to them.
    I wish I lived in your world where apperently planes and boats don't exist. It would be interesting to see what it would look like. But here in this world...a power that has nuclear weapons can probably figure out how to make small suitcase bombs, and then figure out how to smuggle them. It isn't like our border is that secure. Not to mention the big nukes that they could use on Israel? Sure that wouldn't disrupt the entire Middle East and possibily starting all kinds of problems? Seriously? Do understand how unstable and problematic it could be if Iran...a country that Hangs people because they think a little differently...got ahold of nuclear weapons? Not to mention...how solid are THEIR borders?

    It was dumb... he could've lied,
    Ever read Murder in the Cathedral? It is by T.S. Eliot. This man is a TRUE martyr. Nothing to gain from death. Willingly goes anyway. Has appealed to rationality, but is instead being fed to the lions for his belief anyway. All you have to defend Iran is that he should have lied? That isn't the point. The point is that Iran is a barbaric nation. If you expect me to be "tollerant" of their actions I won't. They are WRONG and you know it. We draw a ****ing cartoon of Muhammad and those people in Iran go ape ****. Why shouldn't we get pissed off over them killing an innocent man?
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    DiAnna I think hes damned ignorant. He joined a brand of Christianity that doesn't recognize that Muhammad was a prophet, no **** he was a profit, as was Christ, to ignore that is to be ignorant of history basically. All he had to do was confirm that at least Muhammad was a prophet and nothing else and he would've been fine and not caused suffering to his family and an international spectacle. They would've allowed him to remain a christian, and alive.

    It's harsh and a damned tragedy I'd rather religious persecution didn't happen, but welcome to the middle east. Christian churches and muslim mosques get vacated by force and demolished by Israel regularly and turned into target practice.

    Nothing good in any of it. =\
    They demanded that he renounce his beliefs. He'd rather die than do that. Quite frankly, it's that simple. Insulting a man because of his beliefs is the antithesis of what America's constitutional freedom of religion stands for, and I'm disappointed that you would do so.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Saudi Arabia executes woman convicted of 'sorcery' - Telegraph

    Saudi Arabia needs a more transparent justice system | Christoph Wilcke | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

    please ignore those cites as the are about our ally, saudi arabia and not our enemy, iran, which does the same thing
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    DiAnna I think hes damned ignorant. He joined a brand of Christianity that doesn't recognize that Muhammad was a prophet, no **** he was a profit, as was Christ, to ignore that is to be ignorant of history basically. All he had to do was confirm that at least Muhammad was a prophet and nothing else and he would've been fine and not caused suffering to his family and an international spectacle. They would've allowed him to remain a christian, and alive.

    It's harsh and a damned tragedy I'd rather religious persecution didn't happen, but welcome to the middle east. Christian churches and muslim mosques get vacated by force and demolished by Israel regularly and turned into target practice.

    Nothing good in any of it. =\
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