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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Rich, educated people get STDs and pregnant as well, so no, education does not prevent those things.

    Look, it would be nice if we lived in a world that we didn't need to buy car insurance, because there were no accidents. Or not have to lock our doors because there was no crime. This would be a world that a Catholic would love as well as I would. However, we don't live in that kind of world and not everyone follows religion.

    That is why it is best to arm our teens with the KNOWLEDGE of proper contraception use and application. you simply cannot stop teens from having sex. It's impossible unless you plan to lock them away at all hours. Yes, teaching them about morals and not having sex until married is great, but it's simply unrealistic to believe EVERY teen is going to follow that.

    Given the reality of the situation I'd rather teens have access to and use contraception rather than come home pregnant or with an STD.

    That reality is why I think Catholicism's lack of contraception is not only archaic but dangerous and wreckless when applied. You are free to think differently but many people think as I do.
    Sex isn't a car accident. It's something you choose to do. Every person who is old enough to have sex is old enough to make a responsible choice.

    The fact is, it is more moral to wait until marriage. The world would be a better place if everyone did that. The Church is standing up for the best of what humanity can do.

    Personally, I'm glad we have a beacon to follow, even if most of us aren't strong enough to live up to all of its teachings.

    You use the word "reality," but what you are saying is that you are settling for less because you don't believe people are capable of being righteous. I think people are capable.

    The church should be educating people about family values, marriage, and it should be teaching young people that sex is special. We should be helping Africa to get rid of prostitution and rape.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Sex isn't a car accident. It's something you choose to do. Every person who is old enough to have sex is old enough to make a responsible choice.

    The fact is, it is more moral to wait until marriage. The world would be a better place if everyone did that. The Church is standing up for the best of what humanity can do.

    Personally, I'm glad we have a beacon to follow, even if most of us aren't strong enough to live up to all of its teachings.

    You use the word "reality," but what you are saying is that you are settling for less because you don't believe people are capable of being righteous. I think people are capable.

    The church should be educating people about family values, marriage, and it should be teaching young people that sex is special. We should be helping Africa to get rid of prostitution and rape.
    And if everyone followed the church's teaching, there would be no crime.

    If everyone followed the church's teaching, there would be no poverty.

    I bring up reality, because the reality is the world is not, has never been, and will never be the utopia that the church's teachings would have.

    Therefore, real things like jails, locks, police officer, etc are needed.

    To combat STDs and pregancies, contraceptions are needed. So yes, the REALITY is that the majority of people are NOT going to follow the church's teachings in regards to sex so I would rather arm teens with knowledge and things that will actually help them.

    Again, your choice, but I choose to live in reality and protect teens instead of putting them in harms way with an archaic belief that contraceptions are bad.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And if everyone followed the church's teaching, there would be no crime.

    If everyone followed the church's teaching, there would be no poverty.

    I bring up reality, because the reality is the world is not, has never been, and will never be the utopia that the church's teachings would have.

    Therefore, real things like jails, locks, police officer, etc are needed.

    To combat STDs and pregancies, contraceptions are needed. So yes, the REALITY is that the majority of people are NOT going to follow the church's teachings in regards to sex so I would rather arm teens with knowledge and things that will actually help them.

    Again, your choice, but I choose to live in reality and protect teens instead of putting them in harms way with an archaic belief that contraceptions are bad.
    Fine, I can live with that.

    Cephus' original premise was that the Catholic Religion was "bad" because they don't hand out condoms in Africa.

    I think that has been put to rest.

    You can accept an imperfect reality and do whatever you can to "arm" people as you think is best (although I don't share your pessimism, and disagree that is the best way to better people's lives). That doesn't make the Church "bad" for following through on its higher principles.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Cephus' original premise was that the Catholic Religion was "bad" because they don't hand out condoms in Africa.
    Except that's a complete lie, I said nothing of the sort and you know it. I said they were bad, at least I said the Pope was bad, because they *OPPOSE* condom use in Africa. Nothing about handing them out. Using them. No matter who hands them out, the RCC is telling their followers not to use them.

    That's what's bad.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That doesn't make the Church "bad" for following through on its higher principles.
    For not allowing contraception, yes, I think it is bad when applied. I think it is wreckless and dangerous. I will always believe that.

    I think that archaic belief is harming people more than helping.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    For not allowing contraception, yes, I think it is bad when applied. I think it is wreckless and dangerous. I will always believe that.

    I think that archaic belief is harming people more than helping.
    Do we hand out knives to curb gun violence?

    You have to correct the underlying corrupted behavior, not patch up the symptom. You're trying to put a band-aid on a bullet wound.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Except that's a complete lie, I said nothing of the sort and you know it. I said they were bad, at least I said the Pope was bad, because they *OPPOSE* condom use in Africa. Nothing about handing them out. Using them. No matter who hands them out, the RCC is telling their followers not to use them.

    That's what's bad.
    It's good to oppose condom use in Africa. We should be teaching abstinence until marriage. We should be teaching family values, and we should be helping them to get rid of rape and prostitution.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's good to oppose condom use in Africa. We should be teaching abstinence until marriage. We should be teaching family values, and we should be helping them to get rid of rape and prostitution.
    With the amount of AIDS flying around? No, it's not a good idea.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's good to oppose condom use in Africa. We should be teaching abstinence until marriage. We should be teaching family values, and we should be helping them to get rid of rape and prostitution.
    It's idiotic to ignore human nature in favor of some antiquated idea that not even the people who propose it actually follow.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's good to oppose condom use in Africa. We should be teaching abstinence until marriage. We should be teaching family values, and we should be helping them to get rid of rape and prostitution.
    Holy ****... you people still exist? Here, for you:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...one-right.html
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_031.pdf

    Please, can we not go down this road of ignorance again?
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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