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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Maybe Catholics shouldn't be using them.
    says the same person who also insists that
    The Catholic Church isn't stopping anyone else from handing out condoms in Africa.
    you want it both ways. doesn't work. the catholic church is simply backwards. a bunch of men who have vowed celibacy telling others how to lead their sex lives
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Condoms do NOT encourage sex. People want to have sex and having a condom or not does stop them from wanting to have sex or even having it. As evidenced by the AIDS epidemic in Africa and the numerous teen pregnancies and STDs in America.

    The belief that somehow having a packaged rubber balloon in your pocket ENCOURAGES people to have sex is ridiculous. The desire, will, and action is there without a piece of rubber.
    It enables sex.

    You ever taken a girl back to her place, she asks you "do you have a condom" and you're like "****!!" and then you get none?

    It's happened to me.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    says the same person who also insists that

    you want it both ways. doesn't work. the catholic church is simply backwards. a bunch of men who have vowed celibacy telling others how to lead their sex lives
    The Church exists to teach morality. It shouldn't lower the bar just because few people can reach it.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It enables sex.

    You ever taken a girl back to her place, she asks you "do you have a condom" and you're like "****!!" and then you get none?

    It's happened to me.
    Take a look at the STDs and pregnancies in America, that ain't the norm.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Take a look at the STDs and pregnancies in America, that ain't the norm.
    It is the norm among educated people.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It is the norm among educated people.
    Sorry, but education has nothing to do with it. But please continue to live in fantasy land.

    Like I said, people like myself and others would prefer to live in reality and actually help people instead of look down on them as you do.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but education has nothing to do with it. But please continue to live in fantasy land.

    Like I said, people like myself and others would prefer to live in reality and actually help people instead of look down on them as you do.
    Education has quite a bit to do with it. The infection rate of STD's correlates strongly with education and income level.

    There is no need to get angry. The Church is trying to teach people to live a moral life. It's not going to do something to enable immorality. On the other hand, it's not forcing anyone to do anything... people can choose to do what they want to do.

    Catholics believe in love, marriage, then sex within wedlock. There is no need to try to twist that in to a negative thing.

    Holding positive ideals is a good thing.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a bunch of men who have vowed celibacy telling others how to lead their sex lives
    Celibacy except for altar boys, of course.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Celibacy except for altar boys, of course.
    point taken
    but not up the ass
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Education has quite a bit to do with it. The infection rate of STD's correlates strongly with education and income level.

    There is no need to get angry. The Church is trying to teach people to live a moral life. It's not going to do something to enable immorality. On the other hand, it's not forcing anyone to do anything... people can choose to do what they want to do.

    Catholics believe in love, marriage, then sex within wedlock. There is no need to try to twist that in to a negative thing.

    Holding positive ideals is a good thing.
    Rich, educated people get STDs and pregnant as well, so no, education does not prevent those things.

    Look, it would be nice if we lived in a world that we didn't need to buy car insurance, because there were no accidents. Or not have to lock our doors because there was no crime. This would be a world that a Catholic would love as well as I would. However, we don't live in that kind of world and not everyone follows religion.

    That is why it is best to arm our teens with the KNOWLEDGE of proper contraception use and application. you simply cannot stop teens from having sex. It's impossible unless you plan to lock them away at all hours. Yes, teaching them about morals and not having sex until married is great, but it's simply unrealistic to believe EVERY teen is going to follow that.

    Given the reality of the situation I'd rather teens have access to and use contraception rather than come home pregnant or with an STD.

    That reality is why I think Catholicism's lack of contraception is not only archaic but dangerous and wreckless when applied. You are free to think differently but many people think as I do.
    Last edited by TheNextEra; 02-29-12 at 12:41 PM.

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