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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Fine, just makes Catholicism a bad religion. How's that?
    That's your opinion. Catholics believe that sex should come after marriage. It would be unprincipled for the Catholic Church to hand out condoms in Africa or anywhere else, since condoms encourage and enable sex out of wedlock.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    A belief in itself does not make someone a bad person, it is when they act on that belief in a wreckless and dangerous way that makes them bad people.

    The simple fact is absetence only is just simply not reasonable in today's age. Blame it all on what you want, but unwanted pregnancies and STDs are something that need to be combated and contraception is the reasonable way.

    Unless you are going to start forcing people into abstenence (good luck) contraceptions are the most reasonable way to combat these things in today's time.

    I know many people that are turned off from Catholicism for the contraception reason. IMO, the whole reason Catholics have that in the religion is so that people will have babies and raise them as Catholics. It's a means to procreation for the religion.
    The Catholic Church isn't stopping anyone else from handing out condoms in Africa.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's your opinion. Catholics believe that sex should come after marriage. It would be unprincipled for the Catholic Church to hand out condoms in Africa or anywhere else, since condoms encourage and enable sex out of wedlock.
    You think married people don't use condoms? My wife and I did for years. Catholics are just unrealistic. People are going to have sex. In Africa, where AIDS is rampant, people are getting infected at an alarming rate, even married people, because they have no alternative.

    But dealing with reality isn't something religion does well.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The Catholic Church isn't stopping anyone else from handing out condoms in Africa.
    but its stated opposition to such contraceptives prevents practicing catholics from using them
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You think married people don't use condoms? My wife and I did for years. Catholics are just unrealistic. People are going to have sex. In Africa, where AIDS is rampant, people are getting infected at an alarming rate, even married people, because they have no alternative.

    But dealing with reality isn't something religion does well.
    Where are married people going to get AIDS from?

    The Church's job is to teach people how to live a moral life. Whether people are strong enough to follow the Church's teachings is irrelevant. Sex should be limited to marriage.

    I haven't followed that personally in my life, and I've used plenty of contraception. That doesn't mean it's right, it just means I'm not a perfect human being.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The Catholic Church isn't stopping anyone else from handing out condoms in Africa.
    No, but when they "convert" those Africans, those Africans are not able to use contraception. Their beleif turns to action and that is the problem.

    I'm pretty sure the reason WHY the Catholic religion has no use of contraception in their religion as I stated earlier, that doesn't make it any less dangerous or wreckless when they apply it.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but its stated opposition to such contraceptives prevents practicing catholics from using them
    Maybe Catholics shouldn't be using them.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Where are married people going to get AIDS from?
    From a previous partner, needle transaction, etc.

    Unless of course you live in the unrealistic world where everyone waits to have sex until their married and there are no drugs in the world. Is that the case?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Sex should be limited to marriage.
    That is yours and the Church's opinion, one that isn't shared with the majority of the world (at least applied I should say).

    Myself and others live in the REAL world, where things have to be combated using REALISTIC means and contraception is one of them.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    .... since condoms encourage and enable sex out of wedlock.
    Condoms do NOT encourage sex. People want to have sex and having a condom or not does stop them from wanting to have sex or even having it. As evidenced by the AIDS epidemic in Africa and the numerous teen pregnancies and STDs in America.

    The belief that somehow having a packaged rubber balloon in your pocket ENCOURAGES people to have sex is ridiculous. The desire, will, and action is there without a piece of rubber.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    From a previous partner, needle transaction, etc.

    Unless of course you live in the unrealistic world where everyone waits to have sex until their married and there are no drugs in the world. Is that the case?
    Sex is a choice. People can choose to wait until they are married.

    The Church's job is to teach people to live a moral life. The fact that many people don't have the strength to do so doesn't change the Church's mission.

    I have broken this rule myself and had sexual partners and I have used contraception. That doesn't mean the definition of morality changes. That just means I failed to live up to a higher standard.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That is yours and the Church's opinion, one that isn't shared with the majority of the world (at least applied I should say).

    Myself and others live in the REAL world, where things have to be combated using REALISTIC means and contraception is one of them.
    You're asking the Church to enable sin.

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