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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    I'm not certain if they stone in Iran, but I don't expect you to know much of anything at this point..
    Really? Really? I guess you don't have google.

    The man's execution is consensual...
    consent - definition of consent by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    Something tells me that he doesn't WANT to be put to death. You clearly don't grasp what consensual means do you?

    The guy has to recite a verse from the quran and hes done, scott free, they let him go home to his family. Get it straight.
    And you don't grasp how this pertains to destroying freedom of religion? You think this is ok? You AGREE with Iran. They should execute this man for not wanting to read a verse AGAINST HIS WILL, under PAIN OF DEATH, and RENOUNCE his own faith? You don't see the hypocricy here? The violation of human rights?

    You are blaming a victim here. Do you scream at rape victims too? Tell them it is all their fault? Because that is EXACTLY what you are doing....I really feel sorry for you. You justify murder and rape and you just don't see it.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    My saying he is not a historical fact...is my saying that his existence IS debatable. Of course I myself find it unlikely that he did NOT exist. I think it is most likely that he did exist. Jesus's existence is debatable. I myself believe in him, and so I believe he existed. It is part of my faith, but also as a historian I find it odd that he could inspire so much without having at the least...existed. Hence I believe that Jesus existed, and that so did Muhammad. The part I lack...is the faith behind Muhammad. That is what makes me an infidel to these whacko nut bags in Iran.
    Once again, Islam believes it is a mutation of a proto-human religion,
    and some other permutation will span the globe.
    He'll just by confirming Muhammad existed Im already a Muslim in a sappy way to muslims.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Really? Really? I guess you don't have google.



    consent - definition of consent by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    Something tells me that he doesn't WANT to be put to death. You clearly don't grasp what consensual means do you?



    And you don't grasp how this pertains to destroying freedom of religion? You think this is ok? You AGREE with Iran. They should execute this man for not wanting to read a verse AGAINST HIS WILL, under PAIN OF DEATH, and RENOUNCE his own faith? You don't see the hypocricy here? The violation of human rights?

    You are blaming a victim here. Do you scream at rape victims too? Tell them it is all their fault? Because that is EXACTLY what you are doing....I really feel sorry for you. You justify murder and rape and you just don't see it.
    Then he should lie.

    As for rape victims, if they voluntarily choose to be raped then its consensual... I don't know why you're lingering on this emotion laden analogy that doesn't even fit.
    Theyre not raping the guy theyre gonna hang him, for being a retard, he can leave at any moment he wants.
    He can play hero and his kids can go fatherless, for coolpoints from people overseas.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    And you realize that Iran is run by ayatollahs with the equivalent of 12+ PHDs in Islamic law?


    Might Makes right...
    I'm sure god strikes those that violate your rights with boltz of lightning?


    Btw the proper name for the Jet...A10 Thunderbolt. So yep. As far as YOU or Iran are concerned....Yea he does.
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    Somethings missing in New York...
    something in the sky...
    You barely know who to invade
    but don't really know why.

    Certainly we must invade poptartstan...
    at least 3 or 4 poptartstans...
    One of them should be guilty

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Then he should lie.
    So it is ok to MURDER him based upon his belief system...because he should lie about it? You don't see the problem here? Weren't you the one bitching about Israel or something? I guess it is the Palestinians fault for not leaving. After all, "Might makes right."

    As for rape victims, if they voluntarily choose to be raped then its consensual... I don't know why you're lingering on this emotion laden analogy that doesn't even fit.
    I am "lingering" on it because you think it is ok to rape someone as long as they are given a warning. What if that person can't get away? I already provided you the kidnapping examples. You never replied to those.

    he can leave at any moment he wants.
    Except he is in prison.

    Oh...and here is an example of the wonderful way that you can get let go after your repetance:

    Witnesses report that she begged for her life as she was dragged kicking and screaming to the makeshift gallows. She shouted ”repentance” over and over again – a gesture which, according to Islamic law, is supposed to grant the accused the right to an immediate stay of execution while an appeal is heard.

    Atefeh’s cries were in vain. Haji Rezaie, the judge who presided over her trial, put the noose around her neck himself. He said he was pleased to do it. “Society has to be kept safe from acts against public morality,” he insisted.
    Iranian Regime murders young girls & retarded children! Living Documents

    Mhm. She said repetance and didn't get the stay of execution.
    gonna hang him, for being a retard
    Really? For being a retard? Well Iran DOES hang Girls starting at Age 9, and boys at age 14 for reasons like:

    Homosexuality, mental retardation, wanting to go to school, being a rape victim, forced sex slavery (because even though they were forced into sex slavery...it is still a moral crime), eating on the street during Ramadan, and do I really need to continue? Do you understand the kind of people you are supporting? Or are you just trying to be argumentative? Because quite frankly I find it disgusting that you would support these scum.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post


    Somethings missing in New York...
    something in the sky...
    You barely know who to invade
    but don't really know why.

    Certainly we must invade poptartstan...
    at least 3 or 4 poptartstans...
    One of them should be guilty
    9/11 is another discussion.

    YOU were the one who said "Might makes right." And then you questioned what authority we had to force our view of proper human rights. I proposed you a perfect reason...within your OWN logic...of why we have EVERY right to impose our will upon Iran. You want more reasons within the logic of "Might makes right"

    As of 2009 the USAF operates 5,573 manned aircraft in service (3,990 USAF; 1,213 Air National Guard; and 370 Air Force Reserve);[5] approximately 180 unmanned combat air vehicles, 2,130 air-launched cruise missiles,[6] and 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles. The USAF has 330,159 personnel on active duty, 68,872 in the Selected and Individual Ready Reserves, and 94,753 in the Air National Guard as of September 2008. In addition, the USAF employs 151,360 civilian personnel,[7] and has over 60,000 auxiliary members in the Civil Air Patrol,[8] making it the largest air force in the world.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Harbinger View Post
    You didn't answer my question. I asked you what gave a proposition merit.

    I appreciate and on some level agree with your "Rule by agreement" citation of Hobbes, but it has its holes as well. For instance, by what notion can we consider slavery bad? I assume you agree that it is, but if we are given rights by our peers who agree with us (society), then what is moral is what we decide, including genocide. While it makes logical sense, it puts you in a sort of moral conundrum.

    It seems that some level of faith is required, unless you wish to condemn humanity to a darwin based existence of survival of the fittest.
    Bad really isn't a meaningful term. Would the slave-owners in the deep South have considered slavery bad? Probably not, they were a product of their era, just like you are. They were shaped by their society, just like you aere. They likely would have argued that your anti-slavery views are bad. How do we prove who is right? It's all just opinion after all. You just can't get to a point in society where they have everything "right". There just is no such thing as "right" in that sense.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    İ am brainy enough to see that is emotional.
    Yet not so much to realize how problematic it is?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They come from God.
    Seriously, you think they come from your imaginary friend?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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