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Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

justabubba said:
find it hard to believe that you did not express your opposition to a moslem mosque being built near the 9/11 site
only because it was for the people of that faith
the hypocrisy is tangible
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Another goofy deflection.
 
Grant said:
Right. Under Islamic law.
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Under the law of the land in which he was convicted.

That's why I am calling practitioners of this backward and barbaric faith "ignorant". I would say the same if Christians were to ever do such a thing to a Muslim.

No one should get a free pass for this sort of crime against another human being.
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My, absurdly biased much? :roll:
 
justabubba said:
but a spot on assessment of your religious intolerance
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What religious intolerance?

That of Muslims planning to murder a man because he won't renounce his religion? And I'm intolerant?

The Lefties have a history of aligning themselves with backward political, social and economic theories and now they've manage to gather them all together in one giant basket case, and openly and serenely support it.
 
Grant said:
That of Muslims planning to murder a man because he won't renounce his religion? And I'm intolerant?
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Nope, just absurdly biased. And it can't, by definition, be murder if it's legal. I suspect you don't care though, you're just being emotional.
 
Cephus said:
Under the law of the land in which he was convicted.
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Right. Under Sharia law, and I am protesting against this foul and inhumane decision. That is my right as a human being in a free democracy.

My, absurdly biased much? :roll:
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Actually I am always biased when people are murdered for being a member of a particular religion, for their sexual leanings, or for their gender.

There are always going to be people like you who support the murder of innocents, just as there were those who fought against the freedom of Blacks. You're all much the same.
 
Cephus said:
Nope, just absurdly biased. And it can't, by definition, be murder if it's legal. I suspect you don't care though, you're just being emotional.
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I'm "absurdly biased" because I won't ignore Muslims murdering another human being because of a his religion? Very well, then I am guilty as charged.
 
Grant said:
I'm "absurdly biased" because I won't ignore Muslims murdering another human being because of a his religion? Very well, then I am guilty as charged.
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It'd be awful if one of their leaders announced a crusade on a country that was no threat and was responsible for the violent deaths of over a million people.
Or something crazy.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
It'd be awful if one of their leaders announced a crusade on a country that was no threat and was responsible for the violent deaths of over a million people.
Or something crazy.
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Yet another goofy defection!

Have you leftists no control over your senses? Can you not concentrate on one thing at a time?
 
Wake said:
Christians en masse don't murder certain people when certain people burn the Bible.
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Of course don't. And can you imagine the outcry if they did?

But the fact is that people now expect less from Muslims then they do anyone else. In fact they expect craziness and prepare for it. This is why Barrack Obama and his staff spend so much time apologizing for damages done to Korans rather than simply pointing out that it was an accident and that if they want to get crazy with Americans, Americans will get crazy on them.
 
Grant said:
Yet another goofy defection!

Have you leftists no control over your senses? Can you not concentrate on one thing at a time?
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Just answer me this Grant. There was a time when people that followed Christianity were violent and abused the religion to suit their needs. This much is indisputable I think, you would agree? So during that time would you say Christianity was to blame or the people?

Now, flash forward to today with Islam. We have people doing the same thing and abusing the religion.

I don't think anyone has a problem calling a radical a radical. But I don't blame the entire religion, I blame the people that are abusing the religion.

I have a problem with your blaming and ENTIRE religion when it is clear there are peaceful followers of Islam.

Want to denounce the act of killing this Catholic by Iran, I'm right there with you. I think it's barbaric. Where I disagree with you is in blaming the entire religion. If Islam wasn't around, these tyrants and dicatators would just abuse another religion to get their way.

At the same time though, what are YOU doing about it? I mean really. What do you want the U.S. to do about it? Is this terrible? Yes. Is this worth getting in a war over? No.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Want to denounce the act of killing of this Catholic by Iran, I'm right there with you. I think it's barbaric.
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"This Catholic", as you call him, is a human being. Certainly he is more than just "a Catholic". But that you think it is barbaric is a step forward from many of the cretins on this thread.
Where I disagree with you is in blaming the entire religion.
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As mentioned earlier these sorts of atrocities against Christians and others are happening all over the world. It is not restricted to Iran. Thus it is clear that Islam is to blame and, in fact, the Koran promotes this sort of action. How can Islam not be to responsible when the Koran advocates this behavior and Muslims are
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If Islam wasn't around, these tyrants and dicatators would just abuse another religion to get their way.
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Then we could blame those beliefs which fostered the murders of innocent people, just as we did with Fascism, Communism, slavery, and so on.. Keep in mind that Islam is belief systems and has nothing based on scientific fact, nor does it have any intellectual support. Children and easily influenced adults were brainwashed into it and now they should be educated out of it.

At the same time though, what are YOU doing about it? I mean really. What do you want the U.S. to do about it? Is this terrible? Yes. Is this worth getting in a war over? No.
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You can see what I'm doing about it. I am speaking out against it here and elsewhere in order that this hate filled craziness be stopped. Nowhere did i suggest the US got to war with Iran over this issue and have no idea where you got this idea. But every civilized person should be speaking out against this latest Islamic atrocity, as well as others they are committing throughout the world. Our media and political leaders should stop running scared from these seventh century dittoheads and start facing up to them or more and more innocent people are going to be murdered at their hands.
 
Grant said:
Yet another goofy defection!

Have you leftists no control over your senses? Can you not concentrate on one thing at a time?
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You're concentrating on islam, we doing the christian hypocrisy bit. I wasnt aware that this thread had anything else going on it it at this point since youve been steering things.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
You're concentrating on islam, we doing the christian hypocrisy bit. I wasnt aware that this thread had anything else going on it it at this point since youve been steering things.
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The topic is "Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death".

If you want to start a thread on Christian hypocrisy then just go for it. You'll probably get a response.
 
Cephus said:
Nope, just absurdly biased. And it can't, by definition, be murder if it's legal. I suspect you don't care though, you're just being emotional.
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Pardon the Godwin, but didn't Hitler use that same excuse to kill the Jews? It was legal, therefore alright to murder?
 
Grant said:
As mentioned earlier these sorts of atrocities against Christians and others are happening all over the world. It is not restricted to Iran. Thus it is clear that Islam is to blame and, in fact, the Koran promotes this sort of action. How can Islam not be to responsible when the Koran advocates this behavior and Muslims are carrying it out?
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Blaming the Koran is like blaming the Bible for Christian atrocities. Sorry, but people do what they do out of interpretations of the bible and Koran. So I take it you blame the bible then for all the Christian atrocitites that have happened since even the New Testament was written? I don't think you do, so why would you blame the Koran. I've read the Koran and like the bible, it is misrepresented a lot.

Don't get me wrong, I still don't like everything in both of them because I don't believe homosexuality is a sin, but still I don't think the bible or koran are to blame for the actions of others.

Grant said:
Then we could blame those beliefs which fostered the murders of innocent people, just as we did with Fascism, Communism, slavery, and so on.. Keep in mind that Islam is belief systems and has nothing based on scientific fact, nor does it have any intellectual support. Children and easily influenced adults were brainwashed into it and now they should be educated out of it.
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The whole point which you are missing is it isn't the religion, it's the people that are abusing the religion that are the problems. If they could simply abuse another religion that means that the problem is them.

Grant said:
You can see what I'm doing about it. I am speaking out against it here and elsewhere in order that this hate filled craziness be stopped. Nowhere did i suggest the US got to war with Iran over this issue and have no idea where you got this idea. But every civilized person should be speaking out against this latest Islamic atrocity, as well as others they are committing throughout the world. Our media and political leaders should stop running scared from these seventh century dittoheads and start facing up to them or more and more innocent people are going to be murdered at their hands.
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I have no problem with standing up over atrocities commited in the name of Islam. No problem with that at all, but don't go blaming Muslims as a whole when the problem is with tyrants, dictators, and those that want to pervert a religion to instill control over a population.

Anyone can abuse a religion, it's not the fault of the religion or the texts.
 
Grant said:
The topic is "Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death".

If you want to start a thread on Christian hypocrisy then just go for it. You'll probably get a response.
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And what does that have to do with you enlightened theological judgements on the religion of 1/6th of the world? As for responses I'm getting one from you so we might make some progress.
 
Wake said:
Pardon the Godwin, but didn't Hitler use that same excuse to kill the Jews? It was legal, therefore alright to murder?
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I doubt it was categorized by any legal means or confirmed to any great extent by any judicial authority.
 
TheNextEra;1060250352] The whole point which you are missing is it isn't the religion, it's the people that are abusing the religion that are the problems. If they could simply abuse another religion that means that the problem is them.
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If the Koran is directing Muslims to carry out these atrocities and Muslims are indeed carrying them out, how can the Islamic religion not be involved? It seems you are fervently hoping that islam is a benign religion full of peace and loves and that anything which strays from that idea is an aberration. Such is not the case, and the Koran is not the New Testament.
I have no problem with standing up over atrocities commited in the name of Islam. No problem with that at all, but don't go blaming Muslims as a whole when the problem is with tyrants, dictators, and those that want to pervert a religion to instill control over a population.
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I can easily blame Muslims as a whole because they are not speaking out against the atrocities Muslims throughout the world are committing. Decent muslims should be damning these crimes but, by and large, they either remain silent or make excuses.
Anyone can abuse a religion, it's not the fault of the religion or the texts.
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Of course it is the fault of the texts! Those are the basis of the religion. Otherwise where does any religion get their beliefs and how else would they be sustained? You have an overinflated view of religion, it seems.
 
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I can easily blame Muslims as a whole because they are not speaking out against the atrocities Muslims throughout the world are committing. Decent muslims should be damning these crimes but, by and large, they either remain silent or make excuses.
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There are plenty of 'Muslim' NGOs and aid organizations and plenty of Muslims who live in countries with strict laws against terror. The most populous Muslim country is quite fantastically peaceful. They would not cut off your head there.
 
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