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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    As a Christian...I obviously don't agree with the first part lol.

    But the 2nd part makes sense sort of. It should be a good idea to get out of dodge, but it doesn't justify the law.
    Who says the law has to be justified to you? Who, over there, gives a damn what you think? You don't live there, you're not affected by it, yet so many people think that the world has to follow their own personal views, because they're so obviously superior to everyone else's.

    And they think the same about their views and you.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Now I think Islam is stupid, just as stupid as Christianity, in fact, but seriously, let's be honest. It's well known that it is illegal in Iran to leave Islam. It's no secret. It's also no secret that doing so carries a death penalty. So why do people think they can do it, be relatively open about it and not get the penalty that they already knew it carried before they did it?

    Are they idiots?

    If you're going to convert, get the hell out of Dodge. If you sit there and break the law, whether you agree with the law or not, don't be surprised if you get the punishment.
    The concept of right and wrong runs deeper than any government. Frankly, it runs deeper than any religion.

    The government of Iran is acting immorally in this case. The people of Iran, and the people of the world, can judge that for themselves in their hearts.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The concept of right and wrong runs deeper than any government. Frankly, it runs deeper than any religion.

    The government of Iran is acting immorally in this case. The people of Iran, and the people of the world, can judge that for themselves in their hearts.
    Iran can do what it wants. The guy is free to go when he ceases being a piece of livestock and takes his free ride out of his cell. This isn't hard.
    I have far more respect for self immolation.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Iran can do what it wants. The guy is free to go when he ceases being a piece of livestock and takes his free ride out of his cell. This isn't hard.
    I have far more respect for self immolation.
    That says something about your character.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because, you say so, right? See, the problem is, far too many people think that the laws and customs they are accustomed to ought to apply everywhere else, damn the people who live there for being so backwards not to agree. You know something? They think the same thing! That's why the Muslim world thinks everyone ought to adopt Sharia law, because clearly, to them at least, anyone who doesn't follow it is "ancient, bloodthirsty, self-empowering" who "has no place in civilized society."

    Funny how that works, isn't it?
    At least...they are self empowering.

    But are you not familiar with John Locke? The idea that everyone has some very basic rights that cannot be infringed upon? I mean if we are going to go by your logic that we are just as barbaric and bloodthirsty for not wanting to follow their law...well then we cannot coexist with Iran. In that case...bye bye Iran. Freedom of religion is not a barbaric concept.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Iran can do what it wants. The guy is free to go when he ceases being a piece of livestock and takes his free ride out of his cell. This isn't hard.
    I have far more respect for self immolation.
    Except...he must believe exactly as he is told or else he is killed. And so in freedom he is nothing more than...a piece of livestock.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Who says the law has to be justified to you? Who, over there, gives a damn what you think? You don't live there, you're not affected by it, yet so many people think that the world has to follow their own personal views, because they're so obviously superior to everyone else's.

    And they think the same about their views and you.
    Again. Freedom of religion is a most basic of human right.
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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That says something about your character.
    That I'm not a cosmic fool? Thanks.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Except...he must believe exactly as he is told or else he is killed. And so in freedom he is nothing more than...a piece of livestock.
    I hear they use the Iranian truthometer ray to see into his brain if he reaaally believes.

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    Re: Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    I hear they use the Iranian truthometer ray to see into his brain if he reaaally believes.
    I hear that as long as a warning is given for the rape or murder...it is consensual.
    The Crowd is not the sum of its parts.

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