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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    have to ask but have you been to war?

    p.s war is not always total obliteration, you seem to be a little naive.


    No Higgins86; I have not been to war, but you can bet your sweet eye that I would not be politically correct in war.

    Does that answer your question?

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    It wasn't too long ago.....

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ing-koran.html




    Food for thought.





    TYSVM for merging the thread Y.S.
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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    No Higgins86; I have not been to war, but you can bet your sweet eye that I would not be politically correct in war.

    Does that answer your question?
    not really, you have never been to a hostile region never met the local familes, kids, women trying to get on with their lifes and hoping that maybe you will be able to provide some stability to their lifes. The conflicts we are inviolved in today are not total war situations where you can just carpet bomb the problem away. The guys that sign up for this know what they are getting into and they are trained of this. Im feel sorry for you that you dont see the big picture and only see an enemy rather than people. I hope that one day you will be able to open your mind and see the people that are really affected by all this.

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    have to ask but have you been to war?

    p.s war is not always total obliteration, you seem to be a little naive.
    Heh, truth. If it was, we'd be sending nukes, not troops.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    It wasn't too long ago.....

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ing-koran.html




    Food for thought.





    TYSVM for merging the thread Y.S.
    Yeah i mentioned this in my post.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    No Higgins86; I have not been to war, but you can bet your sweet eye that I would not be politically correct in war.

    Does that answer your question?
    Good luck, the upper level brass really try to go way beyond the politically correct. To a fault even.

    I will give a quick example.

    We knew that a mosque was holding weapons and people we were looking for. We were not allowed to move on it because that would violate the religious rights of the people inside. That was the short version, but you get the idea.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    not really, you have never been to a hostile region never met the local familes, kids, women trying to get on with their lifes and hoping that maybe you will be able to provide some stability to their lifes. The conflicts we are inviolved in today are not total war situations where you can just carpet bomb the problem away. The guys that sign up for this know what they are getting into and they are trained of this. Im feel sorry for you that you dont see the big picture and only see an enemy rather than people. I hope that one day you will be able to open your mind and see the people that are really affected by all this.



    If I go to war and I am told to win and wipe out the enemy .... that's what I do is that so hard to understand?

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Good luck, the upper level brass really try to go way beyond the politically correct. To a fault even.

    I will give a quick example.

    We knew that a mosque was holding weapons and people we were looking for. We were not allowed to move on it because that would violate the religious rights of the people inside. That was the short version, but you get the idea.


    I know.

    What a bunch of lillies of the valley ..... almost make you want to puke

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    If I go to war and I am told to win and wipe out the enemy .... that's what I do is that so hard to understand?
    yes is is because I served in the British army and I never had an order to "win" ( its not an xbox game) obviously the fragile nature of these regions is lost on you and the suble nature of modern warfare is as well. But since you seem to be so brave why not sign up?

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    If I go to war and I am told to win and wipe out the enemy .... that's what I do is that so hard to understand?
    When it comes to fighting counterinsurgency, the primary goal is to "win the hearts and minds of the people." The existence of the enemy is incidental.

    Now we can argue about the efficacy of counterinsurgency in general and debate the merits of restrictive ROE in particular, but there's more to the wars we are currently fighting than simply eliminating the enemy. Victory in war is not determined by body count.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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