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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It's the price of trying to be civilized in a region of barbarians. I'm not sure it would have been any better had they decided to bomb that part of the world into oblivion. Given the two choices, maybe the right one was made after all.
    I don't think for a moment that we should bomb any countries into oblivion. Only where the government leaders meet. They would be like drone missiles but on a larger scale. That way there are a lot fewer casualties among innocent people, those who do not advocate violence and just want to get along with their lives. I remain convinced that most Muslims feel this way.

    I honestly don't know. What are we trying to win this time exactly? Are we trying to eradicate terrorism? If that's what we're doing, I believe it can't be done. If the goal is revenge for 9/11, I'd say mission accomplished. If the goal is spreading democracy, war is not the way to do it.
    I'd say we just go into the self defense mode and let them work out there own problems internally. If there is any hint of terror toward the west or its allies then Plan A goes back into effect and another appropriately sized bomb will be dropped. No more terror or aggression and there will be no more bombs. That will be their decision to make.

    And by the way, any time Muslims get offended about free speech, etc. then they should be deported to Afghanistan. It could still serve a purpose.

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

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    You can't be that naive can you?

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But the United States is no longer the strongest power and their enemies know that. Certainly they have the most weapons and the largest armies but they are weak as a nation.

    They went to a phony war with Libya and the big deal was that nobody got hurt! What army can possibly go to battle with that as their main objective? It's a parody.
    You misread it. What makes us weak, if we are in fact weak, is that we react recklessly, don't have a well thoughtout plan, treat war as if no thought has to go behind it, and fail to realize a democracy can never support long drawn ouot wars without just cause. Just because leaders want a war is not enough, and has never been enough to keep support in a democracy. You have to have clear justification, the support of the people, and do it ina reasonable period equal to the threat or justification. Only a fool would have gone into Iraq, and Afghanistan should have had a much clearer and limited mission.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Another goofy deflection from the addle-headed leftists.
    I guess telling the turth has the effect. Lies are much easier to manage. Just as blind hate is easier and clearer than reason. I understand. But such easiness is more a weakness than a strength.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You misread it. What makes us weak, if we are in fact weak, is that we react recklessly, don't have a well thoughtout plan, treat war as if no thought has to go behind it, and fail to realize a democracy can never support long drawn ouot wars without just cause. Just because leaders want a war is not enough, and has never been enough to keep support in a democracy. You have to have clear justification, the support of the people, and do it ina reasonable period equal to the threat or justification. Only a fool would have gone into Iraq, and Afghanistan should have had a much clearer and limited mission.

    Dude....Think before you post, and please repost this thought, in english this time....Thanks.


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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Dude....Think before you post, and please repost this thought, in english this time....Thanks.


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    Not sure what you don't understand.

    Our weakness -- we reacted recklessly. Invading iraq was reckless. We planned poorly. Didn't understand how a democracy works. This is our real weakness.

    Where are you confused?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't think for a moment that we should bomb any countries into oblivion. Only where the government leaders meet. They would be like drone missiles but on a larger scale. That way there are a lot fewer casualties among innocent people, those who do not advocate violence and just want to get along with their lives. I remain convinced that most Muslims feel this way.
    You know that wouldn't work. Their next move would be to fill their government buildings with civilians and use them as shields, then proceed to use any ensuing deaths for propaganda purposes.

    I'd say we just go into the self defense mode and let them work out there own problems internally. If there is any hint of terror toward the west or its allies then Plan A goes back into effect and another appropriately sized bomb will be dropped. No more terror or aggression and there will be no more bombs. That will be their decision to make.
    Terror attacks on the West are exceptional occurrences. Most Islamic terrorism happens in their own countries against their own people.
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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You misread it. What makes us weak, if we are in fact weak, is that we react recklessly, don't have a well thoughtout plan, treat war as if no thought has to go behind it, and fail to realize a democracy can never support long drawn ouot wars without just cause. Just because leaders want a war is not enough, and has never been enough to keep support in a democracy. You have to have clear justification, the support of the people, and do it ina reasonable period equal to the threat or justification. Only a fool would have gone into Iraq, and Afghanistan should have had a much clearer and limited mission.
    I read what wrong?

    But we agree that America is weak, and excuses and apologies only heighten that reality.

    The question Americans should be asking themselves is how they might be strong again, but as long as they continue to debate condoms, an issue more relevant to the 1950's, and focus on celebrities while ignoring the larger issues, their rapid slide will continue.

    I see no stopping the American fall from grace. Do you?

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure what you don't understand.
    So you have it all figured out do you? Well, let's see...

    Our weakness
    Our weakness is only a symptom of a President that doesn't believe that America is exceptional. A President that came into office with an inner hope to take America down a couple of notches. A President that was not qualified to be President, and is possibly not really pulling the strings of the office.

    we reacted recklessly.
    As a country in electing Obama? You're damned right we did. Now we are going to pay if we can't undo the damage he has put in place.

    Invading iraq was reckless.
    Iraq is going to be the least of our problems. Think of the chaos Obama unleashed with allowing the dominos of the ME to tumble in favor of catch phrase feel goodism.

    Didn't understand how a democracy works.
    Sure we do...They either fall to strong men dictators, or they fail. That is why we are a republic.

    This is our real weakness.
    The real weakness is encapsulated in progressivism. It is a failing pipe dream.

    Where are you confused?
    My confusion is in how supposedly smart men can be so easily duped, and led by liars, and con men like our current President.

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    Re: Afghans Protest Alleged Koran Desecration

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    You know that wouldn't work. Their next move would be to fill their government buildings with civilians and use them as shields, then proceed to use any ensuing deaths for propaganda purposes.
    Applied consistently I think it would work and if we ignored the propaganda which would follow.

    But it will never be done because we now lack the stomach for war and our enemies don't. That's why, for now, the odds are on their side. Only when it goes too far, as happened prior to WWII when the appeasement ended, was action finally taken. Then of course it became much bloodier, and thats the likely scenario we will next be facing.

    Terror attacks on the West are exceptional occurrences. Most Islamic terrorism happens in their own countries against their own people.
    Yes, just as Nazis, Fascists and Communists turned on their own people, and then made it international. The belief, the ideology, becomes intensely more important than people. More important than anything. We don't yet have any strong beliefs apart from Rodney Kings plaintive ""Why can't we all get along?". That question summarizes up much of western thought and we act accordingly, naively hoping others will eventually share this point of view.

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