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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The initial entry into Afghanistan was MASTERFUL. If you've never read books on that, I suggest you do.
    Can you recommend a book?
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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Can you recommend a book?
    Not a Good Day to Die is great by Sean Naylor.
    The Mission, the Men, and Me: Lessons from a Former Delta Force Commander by Pete Blaber. This one starts out like a motivational book about how to fix your life. It turns into a great war book that shows how much autonomy was given to our guys over there.
    Hunting the Jackal by Billy Waugh. The last few chaptors talk about Afghanistan. The whole book is a great read (he tracked Osama Bin Laden in the 90's) but the last few chaptors are great.
    There are quite a few more but these popped in my head first.
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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Not a Good Day to Die is great by Sean Naylor.
    The Mission, the Men, and Me: Lessons from a Former Delta Force Commander by Pete Blaber. This one starts out like a motivational book about how to fix your life. It turns into a great war book that shows how much autonomy was given to our guys over there.
    Hunting the Jackal by Billy Waugh. The last few chaptors talk about Afghanistan. The whole book is a great read (he tracked Osama Bin Laden in the 90's) but the last few chaptors are great.
    There are quite a few more but these popped in my head first.
    Nice! I'll check those out. Thank you.
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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    The ironic thing about all of this is that burning it is one of two Islamically accepted methods to dispose of holy scripture, like Qurans that are no longer usable with torn up pages or if they are edited etc, the other acceptable method being burying them.
    Burning is the acceptable method of destroying old or damaged U.S. flags; it doens't make it acceptable for any lowlife with a zippo to drag one out in the street and burn it, however. It's all in context.

    Having said that, this crap about these books is getting old in a hurry. The real tragedy here is that American soldiers lost their lives. I wonder how many Afghans will protest that.

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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

    Another two americans killed in the aftermath of the burning of the koran.

    Gunman Kills 2 Americans at Afghan Ministry - TIME

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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

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    Another two americans killed in the aftermath of the burning of the koran.

    Gunman Kills 2 Americans at Afghan Ministry - TIME
    Yet, there's no outcry over this. Obama and every General up there is apologizing and begging for forgiveness because we burnt Qurans. Yet, you hear no request to stop the violence or killing of our servicemen in response to it. Someone can say all they want that we brought this on ourselves. You would also be making the claim that burning a book deserves the death penalty.
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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yet, there's no outcry over this. Obama and every General up there is apologizing and begging for forgiveness because we burnt Qurans. Yet, you hear no request to stop the violence or killing of our servicemen in response to it. Someone can say all they want that we brought this on ourselves. You would also be making the claim that burning a book deserves the death penalty.
    I don't mean to be rude, MTP, but I get the feeling that asking these crazy people to stop killing our guys is like asking a bear to stop mauling you when you get attacked in the forest. I don't believe that burning a book deserves the death penalty any more than taunting a bear deserves a mauling, but if you **** with a bear you are going to get attacked regardless.

    I said above that we are fighting a war on their soil. It is incumbent on us to be mindful of their culture and customs. If their culture, customs, and attitudes are crazy (or if there are extremists who happen to be crazy and violent), that's not something that can change and it's not something that being outraged will solve, it's just a fact of life.
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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yet, there's no outcry over this. Obama and every General up there is apologizing and begging for forgiveness because we burnt Qurans. Yet, you hear no request to stop the violence or killing of our servicemen in response to it. Someone can say all they want that we brought this on ourselves. You would also be making the claim that burning a book deserves the death penalty.
    If I am in charge I will impose the death penalty.

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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

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    If I am in charge I will impose the death penalty.
    For burning a book?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes

    Wheather it was accidental or not it was done at the detriment of their comrades.
    Last edited by RDS; 02-25-12 at 11:24 AM.

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