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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    And since we are talking about renewable fuels, and how bipartisan this is, look up wind powered plants in MA and CT. There are billboards and flyers everywhere saying not in my backyard. Enviromentally friendly renewable energy is only a good thing if it isn't in your backyard. Just like a cell phone tower. It doesn't matter what party. People go nuts seeing these things.
    Doesn't change the fact that Democrats are generally pro renewable and Republicans are generally against it.

    Republicans are all for oil drilling, but they for-damned-sure don't want to live next door to a refinery.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I am fine with it. I am saying the general concensus of the people who live around me. I watched them stone wall a highway and a railway. Now they are stonewalling renewable energy. I agree'd with your comment before about a good plan can really benefit the community. It just turns out, in my New England perspective, that people don't want these things in their backyard.
    Not saying you particularly, but the general "you" to everybody who doesn't want that.


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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

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    I wouldn't fight either.
    I probably wouldn't have a problem with a windmill. I'd be concerned about traffic going to and from a nuclear plant, but depending on how close it'd probably be OK.

    I definitely don't want a coal plant across the street. I like breathing.


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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I probably wouldn't have a problem with a windmill. I'd be concerned about traffic going to and from a nuclear plant, but depending on how close it'd probably be OK.

    I definitely don't want a coal plant across the street. I like breathing.
    My town had a coal plant, converted it to oil. Much cleaner now...
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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Gas prices will cripple this economy. Cripple. No tax cut or holiday is going to help. If fuel prices continue to increase, the recession will return.
    Its not like this news has just slipped up on us. Carter warned us in the 70s, the US military warned us in 2010:

    "The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact.

    The energy crisis outlined in a Joint Operating Environment report from the US Joint Forces Command, comes as the price of petrol in Britain reaches record levels and the cost of crude is predicted to soon top $100 a barrel.

    "By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day," says the report, which has a foreword by a senior commander, General James N Mattis."

    US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015 | Business | The Guardian
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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    In Europe the prices are much higher but still the economy works, gas prices in the US are a problem because a lot of people don't have cars with good fuel economy compared to other countries.

    With lower fuel consumption prices might be contained and not rise too much further.
    People will eventually learn to give up their worship of gas guzzlers for more economical cars. It may take some pain first however to get them to see the light.
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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You do pay for the highways that you don't use. I don't particularly use the highways between 2 suburbs, but I still pay for them.

    Look, where the light rail runs here, a solution was needed. People tend not to like it when you run an interstate right down the middle of the neighborhood. On the other hand, people were taking that route from the airport to get downtown anyway, but city streets weren't designed to handle that kind of traffic. So what do you do? Light rail worked as a solution here. It won't work everywhere, just like highways won't work everywhere. Between fares and ad revenue, it breaks even. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less.

    I know you're a conservative and basically against public transportation anyway, but a well planned light rail line can work if it's deployed properly. A poorly planned, poorly deployed line doesn't work. If you're thinking light rail from suburb to city, I can see that probably wouldn't work. Within an urbanized area, it works quite well.
    I'm not against public transportation at all and have never said I was. What I am against is wasting taxpayer dollars on feel good plans that aren't economically beneficial. Busses are much more practical and economically sound than trains. Once a train is built, you can't easily change its routes. Trains cost billions of dollars more than busses and routes can be altered as needed.

    Thousands of busses could be bought and operated in a city for what a simple rail line cost.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Unlike Europe, we don't have a developed hub for mass transportation. Everyone here has a car. It is the primary means of conveyance. All of our goods move on trucks. Gas and fuel operate our entire economy.

    I didn't own a car when I lived in Germany. Didn't need too. You couldn't survive in most of America (not all, some of the cities have decent transportation hubs) without a car or some means or transportation. Average commutes for workers exceed 45 minutes in some areas. That is one way. We need a better solution. Fuel economy is not our number one issue, that is a talking point. I am not saying that if we all drove 40 mpg cars that it wouldn't help, but that will not change the cost of food at the store.
    You are right I am not talking about transportation of goods, trucks are a necessary evil, I understand that as no one else because my trained occupation is transport, used to work for UPS-SCS, DHL and for a company that stored and transported to several european countries Jeep and Chrysler cars.

    But I am talking about even in transport there is room for energy conservations, buy vegetables from a more local source, have more fuel economic trucks and make sure that the available room on truck so that less trucks are needed to transport the same volume of goods.

    And ofcourse, there is a lot of fuel to be saved by less thirsty cars.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually, once again, you are way wrong on the facts. Fuel taxes only pay for about 45-50% of highway costs, and falling.
    Nope:

    About 70% of the construction and maintenance costs of highways in the U.S. are covered through user fees (net of collection costs), primarily fuel taxes collected by the federal government and state and local governments, and to a much lesser extent tolls collected on toll roads and bridges. The 1956 Highway Trust Fund, established by the Highway Revenue Act, mandated a three-cent-per-gallon tax, soon increased to 4.5 cents. In 1993 the tax reached 18.4 cents per gallon where it remains.
    Interstate Highway System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not like this news has just slipped up on us. Carter warned us in the 70s, the US military warned us in 2010:

    "The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact.

    The energy crisis outlined in a Joint Operating Environment report from the US Joint Forces Command, comes as the price of petrol in Britain reaches record levels and the cost of crude is predicted to soon top $100 a barrel.

    "By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day," says the report, which has a foreword by a senior commander, General James N Mattis."

    US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015 | Business | The Guardian
    Only problem is that the military was wrong. Oil production is growing rapidly in the U.S. and Canada. Many are predicting that we could soon be the number one oil producing country in the world, Brazil has found a vase oil field off their coast and are now oil self sufficient.

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