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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    For the cost to build the 20 mile light rail system in Phoenix, which was $1.4 billion [...]
    $70 million per mile. Including the cars. Urban freeway costs $39 million a mile -- not including the cars (or the pollution, or the accidents, or the injuries -- all of which are a cost to society).

    So... for a $780 million 20-mile freeway, you could have bought 1,000 Bell 206B five-seat helicopters and ferried the 10,000 riders to and from work every day

    Or, you could have bought one $780 million teleportation device (pat. pending) from the Federation of Planets Corp. and simply beamed them back and forth to work, Scotty....

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And if you increase fuel economy, you increase the price of your vehicle.
    Why? I was checking out the Mazda 3 yesterday. You can buy one for less than 20K and it gets 40 mpg. The Miata sitting on the showroom floor is rated at 28 mpg and it costs just over 30k.

    The 40 mpg 1.4 Chevy Sonic actually costs less than the 1.8 version.

    Doubling the minimum fuel economy on a car prior to the technology being ready for that innovation will immediately spike manufacturing costs.
    I'm not sure anyone is argueing for an immediate production of 80 mpg cars.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The number I quoted was from 2010. Daily ridership does not equal number of riders. It can be assumed that each rider uses the train twice a day, so even using Wiki numbers, only about 20,000 people a day ride the train. It is still a monumental failure and a huge drain on taxpayer money. But what the hell...........Obama can just borrow some more from the Chinese, right ??
    Ridership is defined as the number of persons who ride -- not the number of trips. But even if you were correct, you still understated it by 100%.

    Apparently the line has exceeded ridership projections and is close to meeting its projected revenue numbers, so it would appear that the voters are getting what they wanted.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I'm very happy that you and your wife live and work near a train station. I'm sure you share that with 2% of the population.

    How much did the rail system cost to build?

    What are its operating costs per year ?

    How much does it make?

    How many people ride on it every day ?

    In almost all cases, it costs the taxpayers thousands of dollars in subsidies for each and every passenger on light rail systems.
    It breaks even more or less. I'm sure a lot of that comes from advertising revenue. They're basically rolling billboards. But it is an effective transit system.

    It all has to do with how it is routed. In Buffalo, where I once lived, it was a failure because it was poorly planned, and it doesn't go anywhere people want to go (generally). Here, the terminii are Target Field (Twins) and the Mall of America. Along the way it stops at the Metrodome and both airport terminals. All places people want to go. They also made many of the stations mini-transit hubs, so it's easy to switch between bus and train, there's bike racks on the trains and a couple of park and ride lots, so if you don't live within walking distance, it's easy to use.

    Well planned light rail systems work well. Poorly planned ones do not. Like most things in life, better planning yields better results.


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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I had to counter this one not long ago and here we are again. For years it was the (D) representatives from Michigan that fought against higher Cafe ratings.
    Local issue (Higher CAFE = smaller cars = less profit per car for Detroit).

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This one also. It's been the Dems fighting against nuclear energy.
    Environmental issues (safety and waste).

    Fail x 2.
    Last edited by Karl; 03-01-12 at 12:26 PM. Reason: typo -- "waster"? LOL

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    $70 million per mile. Including the cars. Urban freeway costs $39 million a mile -- not including the cars (or the pollution, or the accidents, or the injuries -- all of which are a cost to society).

    So... for a $780 million 20-mile freeway, you could have bought 1,000 Bell 206B five-seat helicopters and ferried the 10,000 riders to and from work every day

    Or, you could have bought one $780 million teleportation device (pat. pending) from the Federation of Planets Corp. and simply beamed them back and forth to work, Scotty....
    Interstate highways are mostly paid for with usage fees. Light rail will never come close to being paid for with fees.

    A teleportation device would be more practical than light rail, and probably cheaper.

    Try again.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Another great government business plan: Expenses are 4 times revenue.
    What's the revenue on a freeway?

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Interstate highways are mostly paid for with usage fees. [...]
    Explain and calculate these so-called user fees.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Local issue (Higher CAFE = smaller cars = less profit per car for Detroit).


    Environmental issues (safety and waster).

    Fail x 2.
    Obama's energy department recently approved the first all-new nuke plant in this country in the last 40-something years....

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Explain and calculate these so-called user fees.
    Gasoline taxes, which in fact don't come close to paying for the highways ... are are paying for less every year due to more efficient cars and trucks.

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