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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    [...] In almost all cases, it costs the taxpayers thousands of dollars in subsidies for each and every passenger on light rail systems.
    And how much does it cost taxpayers for roads that lead to pollution, accidents, and injury?


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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Says who? You?
    For the cost to build the 20 mile light rail system in Phoenix, which was $1.4 billion, they could have paid each and every one of the 10,000 daily riders $70,000. In other words, they could have bought each rider a Prius, gas for a year, and still had almost a billion dollars left over.

    The cost to operate this boondoggle is over $34 million. Since they only make $9 million in fees and advertising, taxpayers are subsidizing each rider $1,250. I wish someone would pay me over a thousand bucks a year for my gas.

    Yep, sounds like a rousing success to me.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    It has nothing to do with good fuel economy. Its because America is large in area and sparse in population density.

    We all desire our freedom to go when and where we please. You get what you pay for.
    Both play a role.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Hysteria. . . .
    Forget the modest 3.1 percent rise in the Consumer Price Index, the government's widely used measure of inflation. Everyday prices are up some 8 percent over the past year, according to the American Institute for Economic Research.

    Inflation: Not as low as you think - CBS News

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How much did the interstate highway system cost to build? What are its operating costs per year? How much does it make?

    It's a fallacy to suggest that everything that doesn't turn a profit isn't worth doing. If it improves our quality of life and reduces our dependence on oil, it may be worth doing even if it isn't profitable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl
    And how much does it cost taxpayers for roads that lead to pollution, accidents, and injury?
    Edit: Well, I see that great minds think alike
    A bit of an exageration to say "great minds" in the same sentence with what you two post.

    Great !!! Let's compare the cost of interstate highways, along with their maintenance, to total usage by the taxpayers.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    For the cost to build the 20 mile light rail system in Phoenix, which was $1.4 billion, they could have paid each and every one of the 10,000 daily riders $70,000. In other words, they could have bought each rider a Prius, gas for a year, and still had almost a billion dollars left over.

    The cost to operate this boondoggle is over $34 million. Since they only make $9 million in fees and advertising, taxpayers are subsidizing each rider $1,250. I wish someone would pay me over a thousand bucks a year for my gas.

    Yep, sounds like a rousing success to me.
    Hmm, seems you understated the actual ridership by a mere 400%.

    "As of early March 2010, with ridership far exceeding first-year projections, income was close to meeting Metro's stated goal of 25% farebox recovery."

    Metro Light Rail (Phoenix) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, it actually is partisan, I'm afraid. Who is trying to build high speed rail in this country? Democrats. Who is doing their damndest to kill it? Republicans. That is plain as day.

    Who is trying to enforce stricter fuel efficiency standards? Democrats. Who opposes it? Republicans.
    I had to counter this one not long ago and here we are again. For years it was the (D) representatives from Michigan that fought against higher Cafe ratings.

    Who is trying to expand alternative energy in this country? Democrats. Who opposes it? Republicans.

    Etc., all down the line.
    This one also. It's been the Dems fighting against nuclear energy.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Both play a role.
    And if you increase fuel economy, you increase the price of your vehicle.

    Doubling the minimum fuel economy on a car prior to the technology being ready for that innovation will immediately spike manufacturing costs.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hmm, seems you understated the actual ridership by a mere 400%.

    "As of early March 2010, with ridership far exceeding first-year projections, income was close to meeting Metro's stated goal of 25% farebox recovery."

    Metro Light Rail (Phoenix) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The number I quoted was from 2010. Daily ridership does not equal number of riders. It can be assumed that each rider uses the train twice a day, so even using Wiki numbers, only about 20,000 people a day ride the train. It is still a monumental failure and a huge drain on taxpayer money. But what the hell...........Obama can just borrow some more from the Chinese, right ??

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hmm, seems you understated the actual ridership by a mere 400%.

    "As of early March 2010, with ridership far exceeding first-year projections, income was close to meeting Metro's stated goal of 25% farebox recovery."

    Metro Light Rail (Phoenix) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Metro estimates the train will cost the city $184 million to operate over the next five years with fares covering $44 million of the operation costs and tax subsidies covering the remaining costs.
    Another great government business plan: Expenses are 4 times revenue.

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