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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Certainly. Assuming all your facts are correct, it is because your rate per KWh increased by 141% (from, say, 12 cents/KWh to 29 cents/KWh).

    Why don't you check your electric bills and confirm this for us... otherwise, your claims are certainly faulty. Or is CNS News calculating your bill for you?

    Maybe I will at a later time, but just because you are grasping at straws to try and destroy the truth I am posting out there with some stupid standard of verification for you, I don't have to do anything of the sort unless you are going to somehow mitigate my bill for me? So, I'll get to it if I feel like it, until then you can either trust what I am saying for the sake of conversation, or continue to be an annoyance, and rarely worth response.


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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In Ohio, we have 6 coal fired plants being closed between now and September. It represents 12% of total power generation in the area. They decided to close these plants instead of upgrading them to be compliant with tighter EPA rules.

    Are they building new, regulation proficient plants? Nope, they are going to run with the lowered capacity and see what happens. First Energy has already stated that rates are going to go up, since they will have to buy power elsewhere.

    Is that the President's fault? Yes, it is. He stated it best when he said that he would bankrupt the coal industry, and that yes, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket with his plans. And if that wasn't bad enough, the President's asinine plan of seeing plug-in cars used more is going to push our already stressed electrical grid.

    His idea sounded stupid when he stated it in 2008, and now that its reality, its still stupid.
    Isn't it also part of the plan to replace those coal plants with wind farms and solar plants? They should be building them now to replace the 12% you lost, plus a little more for future demands.
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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In Ohio, we have 6 coal fired plants being closed between now and September. It represents 12% of total power generation in the area. They decided to close these plants instead of upgrading them to be compliant with tighter EPA rules.

    Are they building new, regulation proficient plants? Nope, they are going to run with the lowered capacity and see what happens. First Energy has already stated that rates are going to go up, since they will have to buy power elsewhere.

    Is that the President's fault? Yes, it is. He stated it best when he said that he would bankrupt the coal industry, and that yes, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket with his plans. And if that wasn't bad enough, the President's asinine plan of seeing plug-in cars used more is going to push our already stressed electrical grid.

    His idea sounded stupid when he stated it in 2008, and now that its reality, its still stupid.
    These plant are inefficient so when they run they are already costing us extra money. They only are running when the loads are high and excess is needed. Now, closing them really isn't the problem. Making it so hard to replace them is the problem.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    These plant are inefficient so when they run they are already costing us extra money. They only are running when the loads are high and excess is needed. Now, closing them really isn't the problem. Making it so hard to replace them is the problem.
    I'll bet a single nuclear plant could replace all of them, and there's plenty of government money available to help with that to help make it easier.
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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I'll bet a single nuclear plant could replace all of them, and there's plenty of government money available to help with that to help make it easier.
    I would think that nuclear energy would be profitable.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Look, if you are saying that these types of prices at the pump are not just killing the middle class, and poor then you are fooling yourself SY. When a family like mine, (both parents working + 2 adult kids working/collage = $150.00 per week) is expending that much of the household income in gas, then whatever 'recovery' you hope to tout is out the damned window. Vacation? out the window. Eating out? Gone! Movies? Done. Extra spending on fun things? No more.

    And it isn't just gas for the cars either. Look, my electric bill doubled over the past year for the same period with a milder winter season, from around $120.00 per month, to this last bill of $243.00 per month. Now I thought that maybe we used more in KWh but I checked that too, and that was actually down by nearly 20%. Now, you tell me why that is? Regulation? Obama attack on coal? I am damned sick of it I can tell ya that. I am being mugged out here, and all for the sacrifice on the alter of a pipe dream of green energy, while we have enough energy under out lands to power our country at current usage for some 250 years, and Obama is intentionally placing it off limits in order to make his green agenda look better. He is stealing our money, stealing our future, and stealing the American dream right in front of our eyes. He has to GO!


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    That's not what I said. What I said was that gas prices were higher under Bush and only fell temporarily when the economy collapsed.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Dodd Frank institutionalized "too big to fail" which means corporations have no reason to act any different than they ever did. No, far too often your only desire is to be a partisan as opposed to one who would prefer to address the problems no matter where they originate from.
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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, replying to Karl View Post
    Maybe I will at a later time, but just because you are grasping at straws to try and destroy the truth I am posting out there [...]
    Your "truth" was a hysterical rant about Obama causing your electricity rate to more than double over a period of 12 months. I merely did the math for you. I'm sure the reason for the increase, if any, could be rather easily determined on your end... but it probably wouldn't result in material for an Obama rant, so I can see why that may not be a preferred option.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, in post #262, concerned about his electric bill View Post
    [...] I am being mugged out here, and all for the sacrifice on the alter of a pipe dream of green energy, while we have enough energy under out lands to power our country at current usage for some 250 years, and Obama is intentionally placing it off limits in order to make his green agenda look better. He is stealing our money, stealing our future, and stealing the American dream right in front of our eyes. He has to GO!

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I would think that nuclear energy would be profitable.
    As long as the long term cost of storing the waste can be pushed off onto the government, it probably is

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    by the time that Obama took office, the price at the pump was $1.86 per gal.
    I'm sick of this fact. While it is true on the surface, it doesn't take into account that the economy had just fallen into the toilet 3 months before he took office. Demand went way down, and therefore so did the price. When Obama took office the Dow was 7,949.09. It's now over 12,000. I'm not saying "yay Obama," but I am saying that demand for gas is likely higher than it was then. To think that gas prices would have continued to stay that low is unrealistic. It's probably now just slightly higher than it would have been in January, 2009 if the economy hadn't nearly collapsed 3 months before.

    If McCain had won the election, gas would still be high, and we'd be hearing this number from liberals. It's really bad hackery.


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