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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Gas prices hit over 4 dollars per gallon under Bush and only dropped because the economy collapsed.

    (CNSNews.com) – The average price for one gallon of unleaded gasoline has increased nearly every month since Barack Obama was inaugurated in January 2009. At that time, when George W. Bush was leaving office, the price was $1.78 per gallon. Today, three years and one month later, the average price is $3.64.

    In addition, according to the average price data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices (in nominal dollars: not adjusted for inflation) peaked during Bush’s second term at $4.09 per gallon in July 2008 and then fell to $2.15 in November, when there was an election, and fell further in December 2008 to $1.68 per gallon.

    When Bush entered office in January 2001, the price was $1.47 per gallon. (It peaked in Bush’s first term at $2.02, in October 2004.)

    Under President Obama, prices have not fallen below $2.05 per gallon since April 2009, and the highest average price, so far, was $3.93 in May 2011.

    Gas When Bush Left Office, $1.78 -- Gas Today, $3.64 -- Highest Average Price in Calif., $4.20 | CNSNews.com
    Look, if you are saying that these types of prices at the pump are not just killing the middle class, and poor then you are fooling yourself SY. When a family like mine, (both parents working + 2 adult kids working/collage = $150.00 per week) is expending that much of the household income in gas, then whatever 'recovery' you hope to tout is out the damned window. Vacation? out the window. Eating out? Gone! Movies? Done. Extra spending on fun things? No more.

    And it isn't just gas for the cars either. Look, my electric bill doubled over the past year for the same period with a milder winter season, from around $120.00 per month, to this last bill of $243.00 per month. Now I thought that maybe we used more in KWh but I checked that too, and that was actually down by nearly 20%. Now, you tell me why that is? Regulation? Obama attack on coal? I am damned sick of it I can tell ya that. I am being mugged out here, and all for the sacrifice on the alter of a pipe dream of green energy, while we have enough energy under out lands to power our country at current usage for some 250 years, and Obama is intentionally placing it off limits in order to make his green agenda look better. He is stealing our money, stealing our future, and stealing the American dream right in front of our eyes. He has to GO!


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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Look, if you are saying that these types of prices at the pump are not just killing the middle class, and poor then you are fooling yourself SY. When a family like mine, (both parents working + 2 adult kids working/collage = $150.00 per week) is expending that much of the household income in gas, then whatever 'recovery' you hope to tout is out the damned window. Vacation? out the window. Eating out? Gone! Movies? Done. Extra spending on fun things? No more.

    And it isn't just gas for the cars either. Look, my electric bill doubled over the past year for the same period with a milder winter season, from around $120.00 per month, to this last bill of $243.00 per month. Now I thought that maybe we used more in KWh but I checked that too, and that was actually down by nearly 20%. Now, you tell me why that is? Regulation? Obama attack on coal? I am damned sick of it I can tell ya that. I am being mugged out here, and all for the sacrifice on the alter of a pipe dream of green energy, while we have enough energy under out lands to power our country at current usage for some 250 years, and Obama is intentionally placing it off limits in order to make his green agenda look better. He is stealing our money, stealing our future, and stealing the American dream right in front of our eyes. He has to GO!


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    good grief...yes, higher gas prices suck, higher energy prices suck, on this, we can agree...BUT, to put the blame all on Obama is ridiculous...j, you state that we have enough energy to power us at 'current' usage for another 250 years.....are you saying that our population will remain stagnant, will not grow, and that our energy needs will not increase? for the sake of argument, let us say that you are right, and this energy will last a full 250 years, that the estimates of this amount of energy being available for 250 years are correct.....what then? what happens to this country then? when the country is plum screwed for energy alternatives because we could not be bothered to see past the end of our collective nose, and develop alternatives? or, don't you care, because you won't be here?

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    good grief...yes, higher gas prices suck, higher energy prices suck, on this, we can agree...BUT, to put the blame all on Obama is ridiculous...j, you state that we have enough energy to power us at 'current' usage for another 250 years.....are you saying that our population will remain stagnant, will not grow, and that our energy needs will not increase? for the sake of argument, let us say that you are right, and this energy will last a full 250 years, that the estimates of this amount of energy being available for 250 years are correct.....what then? what happens to this country then? when the country is plum screwed for energy alternatives because we could not be bothered to see past the end of our collective nose, and develop alternatives? or, don't you care, because you won't be here?
    Then what???? Are you serious??

    We've only had functional affordable automobiles a tad over 100 years as of now. You think I'm going to worry about what 8 generations ahead of me is going to do for their energy needs? In 250 years I'm pretty sure alternatives will come about.

    Seriously? Then what? LOL Yea, I'm sure liberals are sooooo worried about the world 200 years after they're dead.

    That would be like asking the founding fathers how concerned they were about our energy needs back in 1776. They didn't even have cars back then, so who knows what we'll have in 250 years. Technology changes so fast that in 2001 nobody could see the Ipad coming but look how that changed our lives. In 1800 nobody thought people would be driving things called cars by 1920.

    C'mon man, worry about today, not 250 years from now.

    And one more thing....that's 250 years at todays currently known energy reserves. Just like the population growth is unknown, so are the unknown and untapped energy reserves. They are finding new fields, some of these fields are tremendous, every day. But being that the MSM doesn't want anyone to know that we are finding huge reserves of gas and oil within our own borders, you don't hear about it. Haynesville shale is estimated to be the largest natural gas field in the 48 contiguous states. Funny how most people who care so much about energy can't even point out the largest natural gas field in the US.

    Google "haynesville shale" for more information on just ONE of these recent finds. I'll put it to you this way....people with small plots of land (a dozen acres or so) are becoming millionaires overnight by these oil and gas companies paying them royalties. This was discovered within the last 5 years.....have you heard anything about it?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynesville_Shale
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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    And one more thing....that's 250 years at todays currently known energy reserves. Just like the population growth is unknown, so are the unknown and untapped energy reserves. They are finding new fields, some of these fields are tremendous, every day. But being that the MSM doesn't want anyone to know that we are finding huge reserves of gas and oil within our own borders, you don't hear about it. Haynesville shale is estimated to be the largest natural gas field in the 48 contiguous states. Funny how most people who care so much about energy can't even point out the largest natural gas field in the US.
    Population growth is virtually guaranteed, finding new oil fields uncertain. So we'd be banking on an uncertainty to support the livelihood of a certainty. Seems dicey to me. Why not develop alternatives NOW, so at least we know we've got the energy, and when we do find new oil fields, that's just icing on the cake. Oil is too useful to think we'll ever completely stop using it. I could see using oil for the next 250 years to make plastics and other related products, but that'll never happen if we persist in burning it up. Lets not waste it by just burning it away when there's other ways we could get energy that would never run out in next 100,000 years!
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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    good grief
    Good Grief indeed.

    yes, higher gas prices suck, higher energy prices suck, on this, we can agree...
    They don't just suck, they are not just a minor annoyance. They have the potential to force another recession.

    BUT, to put the blame all on Obama is ridiculous...j
    Is it now? Tell me randel, who appoints the people that head the agencies that are responsible for the policies that are stifling this sector here in the US? There used to be an old saying that 'the buck stops here'....Obama's would be "It's not my fault".....

    you state that we have enough energy to power us at 'current' usage for another 250 years.....
    I state it? Me? No sir. The experts in the fields that are in the know say this.

    are you saying that our population will remain stagnant, will not grow, and that our energy needs will not increase?
    No, I don't think I mentioned anything about population trends, (although, given the push by progressives to ramp up abortion, and contraception, it could be that is what they see....Kidding.) I don't think I mentioned anything about future energy needs, but as a starting point assessing the energy now in the ground it is helpful to know where we stand right now is it not?

    for the sake of argument, let us say that you are right, and this energy will last a full 250 years, that the estimates of this amount of energy being available for 250 years are correct.....
    Yes

    what then? what happens to this country then? when the country is plum screwed for energy alternatives because we could not be bothered to see past the end of our collective nose, and develop alternatives?
    Who the hell has said that? not me. What I am saying is that the experts all agree that a viable replacement for fossil fuels is decades away from being able to replace even a significant portion of our current energy needs. It makes NO sense to look solely at the promise of something that may or may not be viable 25 years into the future, and cut off existing energy NOW! You want to develop alternatives? Great, I am all for that, go man go! But for Christ sake, don't cut off your nose right now. And don't be stupid with our money in doing this development like the boondoggles that Obama has been pouring billions we don't have into these days.

    or, don't you care, because you won't be here?
    No, I don't believe that we are under the pressure to solve it in our generation either. We need to start down that road, and do what we can in advancing the ball toward that end, but my God man...Take a look around you right now...How much of the stuff you use is petro based? How much technology in all sectors including Medical is petro based?

    Do you really think that pond scum will replace that tomorrow? Next week? Next month? Even next year, or 5 years from now? If the answer is no when you answer yourself truthfully, then let's stop playing games with existing energy procurement and get the pricing levels to a point where this country CAN recover, and not destroy more lives.


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    In Ohio, we have 6 coal fired plants being closed between now and September. It represents 12% of total power generation in the area. They decided to close these plants instead of upgrading them to be compliant with tighter EPA rules.

    Are they building new, regulation proficient plants? Nope, they are going to run with the lowered capacity and see what happens. First Energy has already stated that rates are going to go up, since they will have to buy power elsewhere.

    Is that the President's fault? Yes, it is. He stated it best when he said that he would bankrupt the coal industry, and that yes, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket with his plans. And if that wasn't bad enough, the President's asinine plan of seeing plug-in cars used more is going to push our already stressed electrical grid.

    His idea sounded stupid when he stated it in 2008, and now that its reality, its still stupid.

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    (CNSNews.com) – The average price for one gallon of unleaded gasoline has increased nearly every month since Barack Obama was inaugurated in January 2009. At that time, when George W. Bush was leaving office, the price was $1.78 per gallon. Today, three years and one month later, the average price is $3.64. [...]
    Man... after reading that, one would have to be very, very stupid to take seriously anything that CNS News has to say

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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Man... after reading that, one would have to be very, very stupid to take seriously anything that CNS News has to say

    Really? That's all you got, is "nuh-uh"....? Good one PeeWee.


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    Re: Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, replying to another View Post
    [...] my electric bill doubled over the past year for the same period with a milder winter season, from around $120.00 per month, to this last bill of $243.00 per month. Now I thought that maybe we used more in KWh but I checked that too, and that was actually down by nearly 20%. Now, you tell me why that is? [...]
    Certainly. Assuming all your facts are correct, it is because your rate per KWh increased by 141% (from, say, 12 cents/KWh to 29 cents/KWh).

    Why don't you check your electric bills and confirm this for us... otherwise, your claims are certainly faulty. Or is CNS News calculating your bill for you?
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