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    For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Not sure how anyone can say this is progress...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us...pagewanted=all

    Among mothers of all ages, a majority — 59 percent in 2009 — are married when they have children. But the surge of births outside marriage among younger women — nearly two-thirds of children in the United States are born to mothers under 30 — is both a symbol of the transforming family and a hint of coming generational change.

    One group still largely resists the trend: college graduates, who overwhelmingly marry before having children. That is turning family structure into a new class divide, with the economic and social rewards of marriage increasingly reserved for people with the most education.

    The shift is affecting children’s lives. Researchers have consistently found that children born outside marriage face elevated risks of falling into poverty, failing in school or suffering emotional and behavioral problems.

    Large racial differences remain: 73 percent of black children are born outside marriage, compared with 53 percent of Latinos and 29 percent of whites. And educational differences are growing. About 92 percent of college-educated women are married when they give birth, compared with 62 percent of women with some post-secondary schooling and 43 percent of women with a high school diploma or less, according to Child Trends.

    Almost all of the rise in nonmarital births has occurred among couples living together. While in some countries such relationships endure at rates that resemble marriages, in the United States they are more than twice as likely to dissolve than marriages. In a summary of research, Pamela Smock and Fiona Rose Greenland, both of the University of Michigan, reported that two-thirds of couples living together split up by the time their child turned 10.
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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    The government subsidizes this. Stay single and get all sorts of tax benefits and a huge refund. Get married and lose it.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    I know several folks who have kids and are not married. They simply don't believe in the institution of marriage.

    there's nothing wrong with that, especially considering our high divorce rate.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The government subsidizes this. Stay single and get all sorts of tax benefits and a huge refund. Get married and lose it.
    Amen. Good luck with the babydaddies marrying the moms.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    I'm not too concerned about the fact the mothers are unmarried, the article clarifies that at the time of the child's birth they're actually living with the father. I'm more curious about the difference between the US and other countries when it comes to how long those relationships last. Why do US couples who live together eventually break up at a much higher rate?
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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'm not too concerned about the fact the mothers are unmarried, the article clarifies that at the time of the child's birth they're actually living with the father. I'm more curious about the difference between the US and other countries when it comes to how long those relationships last. Why do US couples who live together eventually break up at a much higher rate?
    This is one of the primary reasons household income has stagnated in the U.S.
    Contrary to all the claims that the rich are stealing from the middle class/poor.

    I think they break up because there are few consequences in doing so.
    You can just leave, no legal proceedings required.
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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I know several folks who have kids and are not married. They simply don't believe in the institution of marriage.

    there's nothing wrong with that, especially considering our high divorce rate.

    Except that reliable, peer reviewed, and revered studies show that children do much better in all catagories when raised in household with BOTH parents present, and committed.


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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This is one of the primary reasons household income has stagnated in the U.S.
    Contrary to all the claims that the rich are stealing from the middle class/poor.

    I think they break up because there are few consequences in doing so.
    You can just leave, no legal proceedings required.
    I'm not sure about that. When there are children involved, there are always legal proceedings required when a couple living together separates.
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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Except that reliable, peer reviewed, and revered studies show that children do much better in all catagories when raised in household with BOTH parents present, and committed.


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    To note, not all of them are single parent families. As noted this trend makes it far easier for one or the other to just walk away as opposed to working on their problems but back to my original point.

    Get a babydaddy, boyfriend, significant other or whatever you want to call your partner and just move in together. If he makes decent money, the woman isn't tied to this money. So she can file for all the credits and get a check from the government for $6000-$7500 (I don't know if these are the exact numbers but they are close) each year from the government.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'm not sure about that. When there are children involved, there are always legal proceedings required when a couple living together separates.
    I mean, the mother has the handle the child support stuff, but other than that, there is no legal divorce mess to comb through.
    That's if she decides to go through with collecting child support though.
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