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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Want to bring up a source for that claim jack?
    Reality, Common Sense, History, Life should be enough for you... but I guess you need others to tell you how to think, 1Perry has obliged.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know though: from my experiences and the experiences of many: BEING married can lead to disasterous consequences.
    hmm, no, marrying badly can lead to disastrous consequences. BEING married only leads to a disadvantage in rent-seeking.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know though: from my experiences and the experiences of many: BEING married can lead to disasterous consequences.
    It's not for everyone, my first was... well still recovering from that disaster, emotionally... financially. My marriage now is nothing short of "just right".
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know though: from my experiences and the experiences of many: BEING married can lead to disasterous consequences.
    Sure, but we're dealing in averages here.
    On average, married families do better than unmarried.

    There's no denying that.
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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The government subsidizes this. Stay single and get all sorts of tax benefits and a huge refund. Get married and lose it.
    Or get divorced and and see some benefit. Of course, that's only for lower income levels.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    hah - and we aint' seen nothin yet on that score; wait until the marriage penalties in Obamacare start having a play.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sure, but we're dealing in averages here.
    On average, married families do better than unmarried.

    There's no denying that.
    Which is the main point here.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Or get divorced and and see some benefit. Of course, that's only for lower income levels.
    It is but that is where we have the majority of problems IMO.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    1. i have no link - i have the printed word sitting directly in front of me.
    2. single parent households are overwhelmingly under educated and make less money. arguing that you factor for that and everything is fine is like arguing that the car wreck didn't kill her so long as you factor out the steel beam slamming through her body.
    1. Well, since I don't have your source material in front of me I can't really discuss it;

    2. Again, you are confusing correlation with causation. Lower income, less well educated people tend to be single parents more often, but it is the fact that they are lower income, and less well educated rather than their being single parents that correlates with lower school performance and behavioral problems. In other words, lower income, less well educated people tend to have poorer performing/behaving kids whether they are in single or two-parent formation.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The article stated that unmarried with children couples were more likely to split up than married couples were.
    As CP pointed out, the biggest player in family economics is whether or not, 2 parents exist in the household.

    Supporting the unmarried but together family, can lead to disastrous consequences.
    But perhaps you're mixing up causes. It's not that a couple that doesn't get married is more likely to break up. It's that a couple that's more likely to break up doesn't get married. As we've discussed, marriage is less rewarding than it used to be. A woman doesn't need to marry in order to survive, and being unwed does not keep a person locked out of society. The ratio of risk and reward is tilted far more towards risk than it used to be.

    So, the couples that aren't as sure about a financial future together, marriage is too big a risk. The article specifically stated that the risk is becoming too large for poorer couples to undertake. So what are these poorer couples to do? Must they refrain from attempting to build a life together unless they will take a huge financial risk? Must they remain abstinent? Must they give up their children? To say yes to any of those suggests that the right to love and have sex and reproduce must be purchased, and is reserved for those who can afford it.

    Marriage seems to be an indicator of a stable household, not a cause of it. And the real cause looks to be money. Families that are not struggling to get by are the ones that last.
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