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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It used to, anyway. These days, not so much. Instead, all it gets is the well-intentioned being condemned for being “bigots” and “judgmental”.

    It has always, been, is now, and will always be true that a stable human society must be built on families that consist of a husband and wife, united permanently in marriage, faithful and committed to each other and to whatever children they may produce. That this is no longer considered politically-correct does not make it any less true, nor will that political-correctness in any way shield or protect us from the destructive ills that society inevitably suffers when we deviate from this model.
    Has always been, will always be?

    Obviously not

    You guys put too much value in your selves. We're no longer a hunter/gatherer society in which someone MUST stay home wit hthe kids nor tend the fields in earshot of the shack.

    What does a father/mother couple do that a single parent can't? Child is cared for in day care, Mom works, everyone's fed and clothed. Why be married if you don't need to be married? Why is there this assumption that the child and mother are the only two in the family dynamic: no boyfriend, best friend, aunts and uncles?

    You believe the husband/wife family dynamic is the oldest and best - but more societies have a familial society based on the women living together and supporting eachother - men are less needed in that sense.
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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Except that reliable, peer reviewed, and revered studies show that children do much better in all catagories when raised in household with BOTH parents present, and committed.


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    True but statistics don't apply to the individual, just because you are statistically averaged to do something, doesn't affect your situation in the least.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree to a point.
    The legal process makes it more difficult to wade through though.

    The articles says live together relationships like this are more likely to end than standard marriages.
    Really, I'm not passing judgement to all people who live like this, I can understand the reasoning.

    I, generally, oppose these relationships, because it mostly doesn't serve in the best interest of the child/children and there are some ethical problems with the tax/state benefits system, which these people can exploit, that married people can't.
    I'm sure gay couples would like to know about these tax advantages; a few may rethink their position.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That part is stupid, though:


    What - only educated people know how to get married? LOL
    People with college educations generally make too much money to qualify for all the tax credits that lower incomes get for staying single.

    Maybe it's this: people who value a solid family dynamic, higher education, and exercise personal restraint and responsibility are more likely to marry and postpone having children . . . or something?
    In part but any action that the government subsidizes is going to grow.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    I believe divorce rates climbing can be traced back to teh first air date of Lifetime network programming to be honest...

    On a serious note, this shouldn't shock anyone, at all. The 1960's radically shattered the social structure of America, and we're seeing the consequences. "Consequence free sex", do whatever feels good... personally I don't see why gays are in such a bother about not being able to enter into Marriage, the whole institution has been possibly fatally wounded by radicalism 50 years ago.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Has always been, will always be?

    Obviously not

    You guys put too much value in your selves. We're no longer a hunter/gatherer society in which someone MUST stay home wit hthe kids nor tend the fields in earshot of the shack.

    What does a father/mother couple do that a single parent can't?
    Quite a bit. I'm surprised we still have to discuss this. That does not mean that single parent families aren't or cant be successful.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    This is THE problem facing this country right now. As a whole, the children of unwed mothers vastly underperform in every area of life compared to kids from traditionaly families.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is THE problem facing this country right now. As a whole, the children of unwed mothers vastly underperform in every area of life compared to kids from traditionaly families.
    I think you forgot to post the cites backing up your assertion. For example:

    ITHACA, N.Y. -- Mothers can be a positive influence in their children's lives, whether or not they are single parents. A new multiethnic study at Cornell University has found that being a single parent does not appear to have a negative effect on the behavior or educational performance of a mother's 12- and 13-year-old children.

    What mattered most in this study, Cornell researcher Henry Ricciuti says, is a mother's education and ability level and, to a lesser extent, family income and quality of the home environment. He found consistent links between these maternal attributes and a child's school performance and behavior, whether the family was white, black or Hispanic.

    "Over all, we find little or no evidence of systematic negative effects of single parenthood on children, regardless of how long they have lived with a single parent during the previous six years," says Ricciuti, who is professor emeritus of human development in the College of Human Ecology at Cornell.
    Cornell News: Single parents and children

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think you forgot to post the cites backing up your assertion. For example:



    Cornell News: Single parents and children
    You need a study? Go outside and open your eyes. It's plain as the nose on your face.

    I see it daily through my kids sports activities and at school. There is a massive difference in behavior, self-esteem, communication skills, and aptitude in basic life, not the least of which is presence and hygiene.

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    Re: For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You need a study? Go outside and open your eyes. It's plain as the nose on your face.

    I see it daily through my kids sports activities and at school. There is a massive difference in behavior, self-esteem, communication skills, and aptitude in basic life, not the least of which is presence and hygiene.
    Amazingly, I do find organized, scientific studies a lot more convincing than your anecdotal observations.

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