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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Compel as in forced to do something different or in restricting access to abortion? I can't see how, sorry. It seems to me that its more like putting information in front of people to make a decision. How exactly is that even illegal by the courts ruling?

    And btw, I never said I supported this move and in fact said the opposite.
    So you don't think it's not an attempt to compel, convince, change ones mind, redirect ones path, make one rethink (pick one - I could give you more, whatever tickles your fancy)

    You don't think that any of these women are already aware that they're carrying a developing fetus which will soon become a child? Isn't this the whole REASON why they're there to begin with? Please don't tell me you believe otherwise.

    LOL - the day a non-pregnant woman shows up at an abortion clinic is the day you can tell then tell me they're unaware of the natural fact of their condition and must be 'informed of what it is in them'

    LOL - good grief.

    What's next from the pro-life crowd: you must give your baby a profile, write an essay on it's potential future, sign it up for preschool and give it a name before you can decide whether or not you can actually carry and care for it after it's born?
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Governments have no ****ing right to force unnecessary and unwanted medical procedures on anybody. End of story.
    especially if the procedure has NO medical benefit whatsoever, is not meant for any medically beneficial purposes, and has political/ideological motivations.

    they are forcing women to have their vagina violated, so that Conservatives can say "**** you" to Liberals.

    this is disgusting...and should be rejected in ALL ways.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So you don't think it's not an attempt to compel, convince, change ones mind, redirect ones path, make one rethink (pick one - I could give you more, whatever tickles your fancy)
    General information can change minds or whatever else you wish to call it. Care to tell me how that has been declared unconstitutional yet?

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    Care to tell me how that has been declared unconstitutional yet?
    Judge Declares Pro-Life Texas Sonogram Measure Unconstitutional

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    General information can change minds or whatever else you wish to call it. Care to tell me how that has been declared unconstitutional yet?
    I'm not the one arguing that - that's someone else's argument and I'm not going ot play Devil's Advocate and harp on something I'm not actually discussing. The constitution isn't our only dictum for how to approach issues and treat others. We have various things such as personal values, respect of personal space, right to privacy, the ability to self-educate and a measure of human decency, ethics . . . and so on so forth.

    So: what I'm saying is that such measures and efforts merely treat us as if we're stupid and uneducated about all these many things - and the majority of us are not.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    good. this a victory for women's rights, & sane policy.

    ...and a defeat for misogyny.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    From the article:
    what is so disagreeable about offering a woman a chance to know more about the procedure she is about to undergo?
    A sonogram wouldn't be informative *about the procedure* - so there's no point in pretending that it is . . . what hte judge declared is accurate: it is a means to “advance an ideological agenda”

    And this:
    Until then, women will be legally denied the right to view the image of their unborn child prior to an abortion, squelching their right to be fully informed on a permanent, life-changing decision.
    Denied the right? Oh trust me: if she WANTED one or felt it was her RIGHT to have one we wouldn't be having this entire debate. . . I think it's stupid to try to turn it into something pro-women's rights to push this agenda . . . it's blatantly against women who get to the point of considering an abortion as if they haven't thought about all of the implications of having a child already.

    And if they're trying to argue that 'her rights are being denied' - then surely they accept it, then, when women just don't want to exercise their rights and have a sonogram (etc) done at all. . . but to this: no - to this they bawlk. How is it a right if you're expected to 'go along' with it - but going against it isn't an option?

    If they're all soooo concerned about women's right to chose things then give women choices - how many mothers in the abortion room will want to see a sonogram do you think - if it's sitting there and they're free to ask . . . how many would actually do so?

    If a woman WANTS to know her unborn child and feels it's her RIGHT to have any procedure done to aid in this then it's likely she'll be going to an OBGYN and not an abortionist for her next visit - duh.

    In my view: it's the extreme pro-lifers who are in denial of reality and need to be educated on a few things.

    And what about the doctors? Here we are watching the debate between Catholic Church and government over what hte government can require a religious unit to cover via medical insurance . . . pharmacists have already been given permission to not provide birth control if they don't feel it's 'right' - so what do the dr's say regarding their right to make decisions in the best interest of their patients and within their concience? Do pro-lifers want to accept this potential outcome of their continuing actions? Seems ot me that some of these excessive measures being taken will open the door in ways they don't want and didn't intend. . . or is this idea that drs and others can choose to support or not support something only applicable if it is pro-life?
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    I was just posting the cite to indicate the law had been overturned. Didn't read enough of it to gather that it was anti-abortion spew.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    the Act violates the First and Fourteenth Amendments by requiring patients to submit to such speech, regardless of whether it is wanted or medically necessary; (4) the Act unconstitutionally discriminates on the basis of sex, in violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment; (5) the Act unconstitutionally discriminates between abortion providers and other medical facilities, in violation of the Equal Protection Clause;(6) the Act unconstitutionally discriminates between women who live within 100 miles of anabortion provider, and those who live 100 or more miles away from an abortion provider, inviolation of the Equal Protection Clause; (7) the Act violates women’s Fourteenth Amendment rightto bodily integrity by requiring them to submit to ultrasounds procedures which are neither typicalnor medically necessary; and (8) the Act violates the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments bysubjecting abortion facilities to random, unannounced, and warrantless searches
    Interesting. Some of that appears to be trash like discriminating on the basis of sex, but some of it seems sound.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Texas abortion law sparks anger, resignation | www.ktvu.com


    A new Texas law requires that women seeking an abortion to see a sonogram of the fetus, as well are asked to hear the heartbeat of the fetus.

    Words cannot describe how disappointed I am.
    That is disgusting on so many levels... It isn't like getting an abortion is something that is done happily. This takes it too far.

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