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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    sure it is, especially the early ones.
    Then it can be treated just like any other medical procedure. The government mandates certain therapies and "violations of privacy" before having procedures done. If it's just a medical procedure then the government can regulate it equally like all the others.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    Then it can be treated just like any other medical procedure. The government mandates certain therapies and "violations of privacy" before having procedures done. If it's just a medical procedure then the government can regulate it equally like all the others.
    the govt. has NO RIGHT, mandating any medical procedures, under penalty of prison, if the procedure is purely for ideological reasons.

    this is the kind of thing the USSR or Nazi Germany would do. yes, I just went there.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    the govt. has NO RIGHT, mandating any medical procedures, under penalty of prison, especially if the procedure is purely for ideological reasons.

    this is the kind of thing the USSR or Nazi Germany would do. yes, I just went there.
    Oh but it does, and it exercises that right.

    Way to Godwin the thread. You're being illogical and not refuting any of my points. Is abortion truly just a valid medical procedure? If so, why do you oppose the government being able to mandate therapies like they do with other things? You can say the government has "no right" all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the government issues the licenses to healthcare professionals and state boards of medicine and pharmacy regulate both practices heavily.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    Oh but it does, and it exercises that right.....
    please name another totally elective procedure, that is mandated by the government under penalty of prison, for purely ideological purposes.

    and don't move the goalposts, thanks.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    please name another totally elective procedure, that is mandated by the government, for purely ideological purposes.

    and don't move the goalposts, thanks.
    I've shared the iPLEDGE program in another thread. They mandate birth control for acne meds solely over the fact that the medication causes birth defects in the child. the government does more things as well by literally tracking people who buy Sudafed and register people who are legally prescribed narcotics.

    Fact: the government has the right to regulate healthcare and mandate things. You don't like it, and you may not like it because it moves in a positive step towards correcting the atrocity of abortion. But no matter how many times you simply say "the government has no right" that doesn't change the fact that the government does have that right and is exercising those rights at this very moment with other patients regarding other therapies/procedures/
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    An abortion isn't just a medical procedure. It's not just removal of tissue or a tumor. No one would ever say that everyone with a brain tumor should have to SEE it before it's removed. That's stupid. The reason this procedure is important is because it's LIFE inside. It's a game changer. It's completely different than any other surgery.

    If the state of Texas wants to try to save lives of unborn children by requiring women to have an ultrasound to see their baby, I'm all for it.
    But it's medically unnecessary. To force a woman to undergo it because of another person's belief, is wrong and it's an invasion of her privacy. Every woman who undergoes an abortion, knows what they doing and is under enough emotional duress as it is.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
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    Fact: the government has the right to regulate healthcare and mandate things. You don't like it, and you may not like it because it moves in a positive step towards correcting the atrocity of abortion. But no matter how many times you simply say "the government has no right" that doesn't change the fact that the government does have that right and is exercising those rights at this very moment with other patients regarding other therapies/procedures/
    no, the govt. has NO right to mandate a totally elective medical procedure, that is not meant to protect the health of the person and is totally motivated by ideology, under penalty of prison for the victim and loss of license for the doctor.

    SCOTUS will agree with me, as will the Appellate Courts in TX and Va.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the govt. has NO RIGHT, mandating any medical procedures, under penalty of prison, if the procedure is purely for ideological reasons.

    *tink, *tink, *tink......Obamacare anyone?


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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    *tink, *tink, *tink......Obamacare anyone?


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    hey j-mac, got any evidence of any procedures mandated by Obamacare, that are totally elective, are not motivated to care for the health of the mother, and are ideologically based?

    I thought not. Moving on.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, the govt. has NO right to mandate a totally elective medical procedure, that is not meant to protect the health of the person and is totally motivated by ideology, under penalty of prison for the victim and loss of license for the doctor.

    SCOTUS will agree with me, as will the Appellate Courts in TX and Va.
    You argue with no substance and keep parroting "the government has no right...."

    The do have the right, they do it with other procedures all the time. They track patients all the time based on certain therapies and many states will register you with a tracking website for buying certain OTC meds. The iPLEDGE program is another example of mandated therapy by the FDA.
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