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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Mine was anecdotal as well. Friends and coworkers. Only one of them was actually happy, but that was probably because she knew exactly why her birth mother gave her up. The others never really knew. That was really hard on them. One ended up severely depressed after going to India to look for her birth parents. It can get really messy.
    I don't really know why they gave me up, and I don't give a crap. They were probably poor/irresponsible.
    But, to avoid serious depression later on it was probably better off just ending the kid from India's life right?

    And I have had the exact opposite experience you have with seeing other people who were adopted, I have actually never seen someone else who was adopted depressed/strung out about there birth-parents.

    It seems like with people with those personalities would of found something else to be depressed about, instead of the actual depression coming from the adoption situation.

    There are statistics that adoption parents more often are better because they choose to have a child, and their philosophy about children tend to be a lot healthier/accepting.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    I don't really know why they gave me up, and I don't give a crap. They were probably poor/irresponsible.
    But, to avoid serious depression later on it was probably better off just ending the kid from India's life right?

    And I have had the exact opposite experience you have with seeing other people who were adopted, I have actually never seen someone else who was adopted depressed/strung out about there birth-parents.

    It seems like with people with those personalities would of found something else to be depressed about, instead of the actual depression coming from the adoption situation.

    There are statistics that adoption parents more often are better because they choose to have a child, and their philosophy about children tend to be a lot healthier/accepting.
    I'm not sure why you're going off on me. I never said adoption was bad. I said it can be. And I take offense at your implying that I think it would have been better for my friend from India to not have been born. I have no idea where that came from. Chill, yeah?
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Mine was anecdotal as well. Friends and coworkers. Only one of them was actually happy, but that was probably because she knew exactly why her birth mother gave her up. The others never really knew. That was really hard on them. One ended up severely depressed after going to India to look for her birth parents. It can get really messy.

    Would those people have been better off never born?


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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    Would those people have been better off never born?


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    Of course not. They were all very grateful to their adoptive parents. My main issue is that I would prefer it if society made it easier for low-income or single mothers to be able to keep their own children. It's something I don't mind my taxes paying for.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'm not sure why you're going off on me. I never said adoption was bad. I said it can be. And I take offense at your implying that I think it would have been better for my friend from India to not have been born. I have no idea where that came from. Chill, yeah?
    Well in your response to whether adoption was bad... you replied as such.
    "It can be. I know very few adopted people who didn't end up with massive issues regarding why they were abandoned in the first place."
    You suggested that in the Indian friends case, adoption was bad, and in the majority of cases you have seen, adoption was bad. But is it really adoption being bad here? There are many different causes of depression and if you have a tendency to have it then its easy to attach it to something like this just as much as a teenage girl thinks her life is over b/c a boy didn't ask her out, or you hate your job, etc. And you didn't seem to consider the alternative, if in these cases the children were never adopted who knows what situation they would be in? obviously the parents(or government/etc) found that they could not properly provided for their child which already brings them at a disadvantage for their well-being.

    And when you are replying in an abortion thread, it is very easy to seem your experiences/attitude on adoption from above could suggest such things. Not like it was really toward you I was more asking whether you were suggesting that or not, b/c I was honestly curious.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Of course not. They were all very grateful to their adoptive parents. My main issue is that I would prefer it if society made it easier for low-income or single mothers to be able to keep their own children. It's something I don't mind my taxes paying for.
    some people are just not fit for being parents no matter how much money you throw at them, but not suggesting that we should all just start prying babies form peoples hands or whatever... just that adoption has a place... a very good one.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    some people are just not fit for being parents no matter how much money you throw at them, but not suggesting that we should all just start prying babies form peoples hands or whatever... just that adoption has a place... a very good one.
    Heavens - I read that, though I was in a different thread and went 'oh my god what's wrong with you' - LOL
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    Heavens - I read that, though I was in a different thread and went 'oh my god what's wrong with you' - LOL
    what?
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    some people are just not fit for being parents no matter how much money you throw at them, but not suggesting that we should all just start prying babies form peoples hands or whatever... just that adoption has a place... a very good one.
    It does have its place. I never said otherwise. So does foster parenting. I have nothing against it. I would just like to make it easier for women to be able to keep their children and not have to give them up just because of their financial situation. I can't help how my personal and admittedly completely anecdotal experience with adoption has shaped my perception of it. It's not a one size fits all solution.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Heavens - I read that, though I was in a different thread and went 'oh my god what's wrong with you' - LOL
    I don't understand your opposition?

    There are a lot of times where people are not yet mature enough to raise a child and adoption may be the better option, even if they were okay financially. Or if the parents have mental illness or disability. Money isn't the only reason people give babies up for adoption, and in a lot of cases where it is the reason it would still (from the parents consent) be the better choice. Believe it or not, not all people who are poor are there b/c they are irresponsible, but there are a good few that are, and if they want a better life for their child why isn't adoption the better choice?

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