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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think it's wise not to take these laws at face-value or put to much energy into supporting/opposing them. All of these miscellaneous laws are the State testing the boundaries for Roe for the inevitable SCOTUS re-visitation of the 35+ y/o ruling.

    If anything, take a sample of laws from a given state and try to see how they're testing Roe, what sort of challenge they want to bring.
    Yeah, I think you're right. It just seems like such a waste of time. While they're playing around trying to figure out what specific argument will stick out enough to make SCOTUS re-evaluate Roe v. Wade, measures that would actually reduce the number of abortions in the meantime are completely ignored. It's all for nothing too, because I really don't think that SCOTUS will ever touch Roe v. Wade with a ten foot pole. The potential for huge social unrest is way too great if they ever dare overturn it.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way. You're certainty welcome to join us in discussing these seemingly frivolous laws.
    You brought Arcana's supposed man-hate up, and when you're asked for evidence you write it off as a trivial matter. Gotta love cognitive dissonance, especially the misogynistic variety.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Yeah, I think you're right. It just seems like such a waste of time. While they're playing around trying to figure out what specific argument will stick out enough to make SCOTUS re-evaluate Roe v. Wade, measures that would actually reduce the number of abortions in the meantime are completely ignored. It's all for nothing too, because I really don't think that SCOTUS will ever touch Roe v. Wade with a ten foot pole. The potential for huge social unrest is way too great if they ever dare overturn it.
    I've seen many people on both sides of the issue support a SCOTUS re-visitation to Roe. This doesn't mean Roe being overturned is even on the table, that's just something radicals on both sides claim.

    Roe is just a bad law, poorly written with vague instructions, and it's out-of-date; key pillars in Roe depend on the laws of the time, and these laws have changed since. The ruling is not timeless.

    Of course pro-life is going to try and execute the Section 9a clause, and negotiate for states rights as a back up plan. What lse would we expect?

    Real solutions to abortion begin and end with personal finance, not rights or sovereignty or any other emotional argument, because personal finance is the main reason women list when they seek an abortion; this is why regardless of what SCOTUS does with Roe, if anything at all, it will not change the use of abortion in any meaningful way.

    This is also why any abortion thread which is not about personal finance, is pure and utter bull**** not to be taken seriously.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Real solutions to abortion begin and end with personal finance, not rights or sovereignty or any other emotional argument, because personal finance is the main reason women list when they seek an abortion; this is why regardless of what SCOTUS does with Roe, if anything at all, it will not change the use of abortion in any meaningful way.

    This is also why any abortion thread which is not about personal finance, is pure and utter bull**** not to be taken seriously.
    It's and important part of the issue, for sure. I think it would significantly reduce the number of abortions if low-income or single women were guaranteed enough financial help and/or access to affordable daycare and healthcare. However these things cost the tax-payer money and no one wants their taxes raised and even the staunchest pro-lifers go suddenly silent when this particular issue is raised. That or they start demanding women give up their flesh and blood for adoption.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It's and important part of the issue, for sure. I think it would significantly reduce the number of abortions if low-income or single women were guaranteed enough financial help and/or access to affordable daycare and healthcare. However these things cost the tax-payer money and no one wants their taxes raised and even the staunchest pro-lifers go suddenly silent when this particular issue is raised. That or they start demanding women give up their flesh and blood for adoption.

    Is adoption a bad thing?


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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

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    Is adoption a bad thing?


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    It can be. I know very few adopted people who didn't end up with massive issues regarding why they were abandoned in the first place.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It can be. I know very few adopted people who didn't end up with massive issues regarding why they were abandoned in the first place.

    Really? Is that so?....Although anecdotal, I myself was adopted through Catholic Charities, and do not suffer from these so called 'massive issues'.... I don't begin to think that I can speak for every adopted person out there, but how many of these issues are fabricated by those who think they are doing good, delving into the adoptees past in an attempt to find their so called 'real parents', and cause these issues?


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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It can be. I know very few adopted people who didn't end up with massive issues regarding why they were abandoned in the first place.
    WTF?
    I have never heard anything like that.
    I was adopted, and I never really cared, I viewed my family as my family and my mom and dad as my mom and dad.... nothing could change that.
    by Catholic charities as well.
    My life turned out awesome, and I am really thankful my birth-parents didn't decide to abort me, and even if my life didnt turn out awesome... life is a gift.

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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? Is that so?....Although anecdotal, I myself was adopted through Catholic Charities, and do not suffer from these so called 'massive issues'.... I don't begin to think that I can speak for every adopted person out there, but how many of these issues are fabricated by those who think they are doing good, delving into the adoptees past in an attempt to find their so called 'real parents', and cause these issues?


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    Mine was anecdotal as well. Friends and coworkers. Only one of them was actually happy, but that was probably because she knew exactly why her birth mother gave her up. The others never really knew. That was really hard on them. One ended up severely depressed after going to India to look for her birth parents. It can get really messy.
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    Re: Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    WTF?
    I have never heard anything like that.
    I was adopted, and I never really cared, I viewed my family as my family and my mom and dad as my mom and dad.... nothing could change that.
    by Catholic charities as well.
    My life turned out awesome, and I am really thankful my birth-parents didn't decide to abort me, and even if my life didnt turn out awesome... life is a gift.
    Good for you. Not everyone's that lucky, is all.
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