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PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Yeah... total smoking gun. When we invade and they don't have a nuke half the country can stare drooling with **** eating grins and pretend that somehow were still justified to invade by some means other than we stated.

sucks...

Iraq all over again, another $2 trillion dollar war with hundreds of thousands of deaths. Well, at least Paul Ryan has figured out a way to make our seniors pay for it!
 
How do you figure? This map doesn't even show the 22 nuclear sites.

Compare the two..

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Well, if Israel or the US bombs their 22 nuclear facilities, we will also destroy their oilfields and refineries.

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It wouldn't be the first time the US cut off its nose to spite its face.
 
It wouldn't be the first time the US cut off its nose to spite its face.

There are better ways to manage this conflict.. and our politicians shouldn't cave to Netanyahu..

As I read the news reports only half of Israelis agree with his push to attack Iran..
 
Defense!!!! They are surrounded by 45 US bases, subs, and Israel, all armed with nukes to the teeth. I would be as busy as possible building nukes for defense if I were them.

I thought we already went through this? If Israel had no nukes and the nuclear powered US bases and subs were not surrounding them, they would have no need of them.

My questions were rhetorical in an attempt to get you to think a little more critically about the issue. It is extremely naive to think that Iran will stop pursuing nuclear weapons if we merely leave them alone. Iran, like every other country, wants to pursue its self interests. Whether that self interest would be in defense or in acquiring greater regional power.

In fact, in a supreme case of irony, your "plan" would be much more likely to cause an Israel-Iran war. If the US abandoned its bases, subs, nukes, and Israel, I think it is safe to say Israel would feel extremely uneasy about the situation with Iran. Basically what you suggest would most likely cause a war.
 
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My questions were rhetorical in an attempt to get you to think a little more critically about the issue. It is extremely naive to think that Iran will stop pursuing nuclear weapons if we merely leave them alone. Iran, like every other country, wants to pursue its self interests. Whether that self interest would be in defense or in acquiring greater regional power.

In fact, in a supreme case of irony, your "plan" would be much more likely to cause an Israel-Iran war. If the US abandoned its bases, subs, nukes, and Israel, I think it is safe to say Israel would feel extremely uneasy about the situation with Iran. Basically what you suggest would most likely cause a war.

WHAT can Iran gain by bombing their neighbors?

Iran is in the cat bird seat to prosper.. Look at a map.

They can sell oil and gas to India, Pakistan and China via Gwadar.. and they can be an oil and gas transit state between the Stans along the Caspian and the Persian Gulf.
 
Compare the two..

It looks to me like 80% of the nuclear sites are situated far from oil sites.

And how big do you expect the blast radiius of a bomb to be? We would NOT be using nukes on Iran. We would use conventional bombs and the most common of those would be 2000lb JDAMs. The blast radiius from one of them is 1200 ft. The oil facilities would reside Miles away. So there is no reason to think strikes on nuclear facilities would also hit the oil wells.
 
Somehow talk of WMDs in Arak makes me feel instinctively skeptical....


Well, if Israel attacks Iran it will be a civilian bloodbath.. and if Iran and/or Syria get off an attack, Israel will regret it.. Iran and Syria could destroy the refineries in Haifa and desalination plants in Askelon and Ashedod.

IMO.. this is a blackmail situation to continue settlement expansion in the West Bank..

Its a really dangerous game.

I hope Obama plays it well.
 
WHAT can Iran gain by bombing their neighbors?

Iran is in the cat bird seat to prosper.. Look at a map.

They can sell oil and gas to India, Pakistan and China via Gwadar.. and they can be an oil and gas transit state between the Stans along the Caspian and the Persian Gulf.

Even if Iran were to only gain a nuclear weapon for self defense it would cause other countries in the region to feel the need for nuclear weapons too. I do not think a cold war is in the best interests of the region. Especially considering the participants.
 
Even if Iran were to only gain a nuclear weapon for self defense it would cause other countries in the region to feel the need for nuclear weapons too. I do not think a cold war is in the best interests of the region. Especially considering the participants.

Nor do I.. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar have been calling for a Nuke free zone for 40 years.... but what choice do they have now with Israel threatening Iran???
 
Well, if Israel attacks Iran it will be a civilian bloodbath.. and if Iran and/or Syria get off an attack, Israel will regret it.. Iran and Syria could destroy the refineries in Haifa and desalination plants in Askelon and Ashedod.

I hope Obama plays it well.

That's a mighty big "if." Syria is pretty tied up at the moment. And Iran would have to fly straight into the teeth of the most experienced combat pilots in the world, and some of the best air defense in the world. Iran would be incredibly lucky if a single pilot survives any strike attempt.
 
Nor do I.. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar have been calling for a Nuke free zone for 40 years.... but what choice do they have now with Israel threatening Iran???

We continue to do the exact opposite of what Catawaba suggests and provide Iran with good reasons not to pursue nuclear weapons. This will in turn reassure Israel is prevent a preemptive attack.
 
That's a mighty big "if." Syria is pretty tied up at the moment. And Iran would have to fly straight into the teeth of the most experienced combat pilots in the world, and some of the best air defense in the world. Iran would be incredibly lucky if a single pilot survives any strike attempt.

Its a thousand miles from Israel to Iran.. How do you think they will pull this off?

Where are their refueling capabilities? How many fuel tanks do you think they will have too dump to arm themselves with weapons.

Israel wil NOT attack Iran.. they want the US to do it.
 
Its a thousand miles from Israel to Iran.. How do you think they will pull this off?
Where are their refueling capabilities? How many fuel tanks do you think they will have too dump to arm themselves with weapons.
Israel wil NOT attack Iran.. they want the US to do it.

Ah, I was replying to your post saying Iran and Syria could destroy the refineries in Haifa and desalination plants in Askelon and Ashedod (see quote).

Well, if Israel attacks Iran it will be a civilian bloodbath.. and if Iran and/or Syria get off an attack, Israel will regret it.. Iran and Syria could destroy the refineries in Haifa and desalination plants in Askelon and Ashedod.

I'm saying Iran is unlikely to manage that. It fact it would be pretty well impossible for them to pull it off.
 
There are better ways to manage this conflict.. and our politicians shouldn't cave to Netanyahu..

As I read the news reports only half of Israelis agree with his push to attack Iran..

That matches what I've read and I agree.
 
If the US abandoned its bases, subs, nukes, and Israel, I think it is safe to say Israel would feel extremely uneasy about the situation with Iran. Basically what you suggest would most likely cause a war.

I think under the present arrangement, Israel has no incentive to negotiate a peaceful coexistence.
 
Even if Iran were to only gain a nuclear weapon for self defense it would cause other countries in the region to feel the need for nuclear weapons too. I do not think a cold war is in the best interests of the region. Especially considering the participants.

I say we let the region decide what is best for them. Because every time we start a war over there, it ends up killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and adds a couple trillion dollars more in national debt.
 
Even if Iran were to only gain a nuclear weapon for self defense it would cause other countries in the region to feel the need for nuclear weapons too. I do not think a cold war is in the best interests of the region. Especially considering the participants.

No one has attacked more countries in modern history than the USi
 
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That's a mighty big "if." Syria is pretty tied up at the moment. And Iran would have to fly straight into the teeth of the most experienced combat pilots in the world, and some of the best air defense in the world. Iran would be incredibly lucky if a single pilot survives any strike attempt.

You are assuming China and Russia will not lend support. That is a dangerous assumption I think.
 
We continue to do the exact opposite of what Catawaba suggests and provide Iran with good reasons not to pursue nuclear weapons. This will in turn reassure Israel is prevent a preemptive attack.


Of course we will, we can't maintain our hegemony in the middle east if we don't. That's what it is all about.
 
And no one have saved more countries either.

From themselves!!!!

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Last I checked we killed like a million frickin Iraqi people and they all ****in hate us!!!

Wait, wait... let's add up civilian deaths by the US military in the 20th Century and see who wins!

Nazi Germany, the USSR, Or the USA.

It's a close race... it'd be a fantastic historical investigation!

no trollin... =\
 
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