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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Well, if it's Iran, it's probably so they can turn around sell it again for a profit, not because they "need" it. I checked, and in half of 2011 Russia imported no Iranian oil. If they're doing it now, it's only to bolster the economy of their flagging sycophant.
    • Oil imports from Iran 2011 | Statistic
    The economy is important to most nations.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The economy is important to most nations.
    Yes, it is. But Russia's economy will not collapse without Iranian oil, as Kane asserted. That's like saying Japan wouldn't have enough cars if the US stopped shipping cars there. Certainly, some Japanese may enjoy their American cars, but the whole nation would hardly come to a halt without them.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Yes, it is. But Russia's economy will not collapse without Iranian oil, as Kane asserted. That's like saying Japan wouldn't have enough cars if the US stopped shipping cars there. Certainly, some Japanese may enjoy their American cars, but the whole nation would hardly come to a halt without them.
    My point was never that it would collapse the Iranian economy, just that it would make everything associated with oil more expensive.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Don't you understand we need to fight for Israel?

    They are our only ally in the region.
    That sounds so 'sweet', but think about that for just a minute. Israel is a nation of about 6 million people, surrounded by well over 300 million that really hate them and don't much care for the U.S. either. As long as Israel remains simply a 'potential' threat, that may allow them to semi-peacefully exist, but once they become a real aggressor, backed by the mighty U.S., by launching a 'preemptive' attack against Iran then the picture changes for them. The U.S. could, with allied support, hold off any nation (perhaps even two or three of them) that attacked Israel, but wars, like the current Jihad, are not fought openly by nations, but by 'rogue' terrorists. Which nation(s) would bear responsibilty, and be forced to pay the ultimate price, for a WMD attack against Israel carried out by 'terrorists'? Even though the 9/11 'terrorists' were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemen we chose to 'attack' Afghanistan as our first response, hardly scaring those in ALL of the nations in the region that openly cheered the 9/11 attcks in the streets. We can not, and will not, declare war on ALL of the Islamic nations, yet Israel attacking one of them will surely unite their support of 'terrorists' to retaliate.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    My point was never that it would collapse the Iranian economy, just that it would make everything associated with oil more expensive.
    That just goes to show you that "everything associated with oil [is] more expensive." When a two-bit theocracy can even consider threatening our nation with the price of oil, and even change the direction of US policy, it's time to get away from the double-damned stuff.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    That just goes to show you that "everything associated with oil [is] more expensive." When a two-bit theocracy can even consider threatening our nation with the price of oil, and even change the direction of US policy, it's time to get away from the double-damned stuff.
    No argument from me there, I thought it was time 30 years ago!
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No argument from me there, I thought it was time 30 years ago!
    if my memory is accurate - it often isn't - so did Jimmy Carter
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if my memory is accurate - it often isn't - so did Jimmy Carter
    Yes, even our old conservative Senator from Virginia admitted President Carter was right ~

    "It took 30 years, but Jimmy Carter finally has gotten recognition for the wisdom of his energy policies. Speaking on Science Friday, Senator John Warner, a Republican from Virginia who first entered the Senate during Carter’s term in office, said that Jimmy Carter “was right” when he called for a massive program of energy conservation and alternative energy research."

    John Warner: Jimmy Carter Was Right
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if my memory is accurate - it often isn't - so did Jimmy Carter
    Yeah, Carter's warning has proven to be prophetic.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    Hooray for fake and phony journalism!

    Hooray for illusionary freedom of the press and fake political rallies!

    Jon Stewart defends George W. Bush on MSNBC


    "Stewart said Bush "is not a war criminal," and said he believed the former president's assertions about Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons programs prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq were what Bush "truly believed" at the time.

    "In contrast, host Rachel Maddow has in the past suggested that the Bush administration knowingly misled the American public about the imminent threat from Hussein's weapons program. She has also argued on air that U.S. actions during the Iraq war violated the Geneva Conventions, making the Commander-In-Chief, technically, a war criminal.

    Jon Stewart defends George W. Bush on MSNBC - The Washington Scene - TheHill.com



    Jon Stewart behaves exactly like lamestream media pro-war hacks, and its not accidental.No war criminal in the WH, and he agreed yesterday with Sarah Palin, right wing hatespeech is not to blame for AZ shooting, just a "lone nut."Stewart has his lamestream media talking points all in order as he performs his role as $6 million dollar man for Uncle Sam.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Too simplistic. Many don't say no to all wars, just reckless and harmful wars. You have to have exact situations to compare properly.
    That is the same censorship and lies of the lamestream media you regurgitate. Illegal wars ARE CRIMES by definition no matter how great the manufactured "threat" is, posed by our American profiteers, and the planted Pentagon spokesmen from the Ministry of Truth.

    International laws are there for a reason, so no one can pull any Napoleon Bonehead moves on the world stage, but these government stenographers like Jon Stewart or Tom Freidman think they can get away with revisionist history and all the citizenry will be duped?

    No way. The NYT and the LATimes are all fronts for war profiteers and these newspapers "of record" will only tell you the truth ex post facto once the Pentagon has subjugated its victims and the bloodbath well under way. Same goes for Time magazine and CNN/Fox with their pro-war stooge reporters, Peter Bergen, Matt Cooper, Judith Miller and so on.

    The framers of the Constitution knew this would happen, that the press would be taken over by the government for propaganda, that's why they stuck that clause in there, a law that is currently not being enforced in this country.
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