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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    Don't you think there is something inherently evil about Obamas unending war machine in order to bolster American corporations at the expense of innocent lives and our citizens standard of living?

    Now we have multiple regime changes at once by Obama/Hillary - Libya, Syria, while invoking 9/11 like Dubya, and if you think the goal in Iran is any less than over turning the government there, it is a short sighted viewpoint, is it not?

    In fact, the reason Reagan is pilloried among the left is due primarily to his reckless foreign policies, lies about Iran Contra, the October Surprise, Grenanda, etc. than anything Ronny did domestically, true?
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    Cut off the Russian supply? Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly. You do realize that Russia is the number one "producer" of oil in the world, yes? They don't need Iranian oil. Stopping Iranian nuclear ambitions will not cutoff Russia from anything.
    I refer you again to my previous question - left unanswered.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Okay, Russia had been the top producer for the last 6 years and now they've switched places. My point is, Russia doesn't need Iranian oil. Stopping Iranian nuclear fuel development will not cut off Russia's source of oil.
    I agree it will not cut off Russia's oil supply but it could increase their energy costs. Who does Russia import their 42,750 bbl/day of oil from?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree it will not cut off Russia's oil supply but it could increase their energy costs. Who does Russia import their 42,750 bbl/day of oil from?
    Well, if it's Iran, it's probably so they can turn around sell it again for a profit, not because they "need" it. I checked, and in half of 2011 Russia imported no Iranian oil. If they're doing it now, it's only to bolster the economy of their flagging sycophant.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Well, if it's Iran, it's probably so they can turn around sell it again for a profit, not because they "need" it. I checked, and in half of 2011 Russia imported no Iranian oil. If they're doing it now, it's only to bolster the economy of their flagging sycophant.
    • Oil imports from Iran 2011 | Statistic
    Reluctant to slash production, which can do permanent harm to the oil fields, Iranian officials are storing the excess in a growing armada of supertankers that are anchored in the vicinity of the country’s main oil terminals in the Persian Gulf, according to the International Energy Agency, a platform for oil consuming countries.

    While exact figures are not available, industry insiders say that if Iran were to use the entire fleet of 39 ships belonging to the National Iranian Tanker Company, it would be able to store up to 80 million barrels of oil, or roughly 25 days of production at current levels.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Okay, Russia had been the top producer for the last 6 years and now they've switched places. My point is, Russia doesn't need Iranian oil. Stopping Iranian nuclear fuel development will not cut off Russia's source of oil.
    In fact, Russia would be the most likely source of enriched uranium for Iran, if Iran ever agreed to buy it from others instead of producing it for themselves - but I doubt that would be a big source of revenue. Since Russia is the builder for the Iranian reactor I'd guess they're more concerned about that and future business than anything else.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    let's look at our nation's hypocrisy in singling out iran, which has denounced the processing of plutonium:
    ^ Kang, Jungmin; Hayes, Peter; Bin, Li; Suzuki, Tatsujiro; Tanter, Richard (1 January 05)). "South Korea's nuclear surprise: as more and more countries adopt the IAEA's Additional Protocol, all kinds of nuclear secrets will come spilling out. Currently under microscope: South Korea". Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. "South Korea publicly disclosed its past secret nuclear research activities, revealing that it had conducted chemical uranium enrichment from 1979 to 1981, separated small quantities of plutonium in 1982, experimented with uranium enrichment in 2000, and manufactured depleted uranium munitions from 1983 to 1987. The South Korean government had violated its international agreements by not declaring any of these activities to the IAEA in Vienna."
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    so, what was the proposed action to be taken against south korea?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree it will not cut off Russia's oil supply but it could increase their energy costs. Who does Russia import their 42,750 bbl/day of oil from?
    This is just a guess but it could be Kazakhstan. It's a pretty big oil exporter, especially to former SSR's, and it could be more of an accounting/transportation arrangement with Russia than anything else. But I couldn't find any direct evidence of where Russia imports it's oil.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Well, if it's Iran, it's probably so they can turn around sell it again for a profit, not because they "need" it. I checked, and in half of 2011 Russia imported no Iranian oil. If they're doing it now, it's only to bolster the economy of their flagging sycophant.
    • Oil imports from Iran 2011 | Statistic
    Or it could be for payment for services rendered instead of cash - though Russia will turn around and sell it, anyway. Kind of like "laundering" oil? LOL!
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's look at our nation's hypocrisy in singling out iran, which has denounced the processing of plutonium:
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    Nuclear program of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    so, what was the proposed action to be taken against south korea?
    Did we know about the activities at the time?
    Are they still doing those things?

    If the answers are 'no' then what exactly would you expect to happen? Typically, the UN does not address past actions in some punitive way. Instead, they concentrate on the current state of affairs, to bring everyone into compliance with international treaties.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Did we know about the activities at the time?
    Are they still doing those things?

    If the answers are 'no' then what exactly would you expect to happen? Typically, the UN does not address past actions in some punitive way. Instead, they concentrate on the current state of affairs, to bring everyone into compliance with international treaties.
    That's what I'm thinking. If they aren't misusing nuclear knowledge now, there's not much to for the UN to do. Perhaps they could write a letter like, "Oh you...Bad you! Don't every do that again!" And that would have to be about, it. We could inspect their nuclear facilities I suppose. But that would hardly be newsworthy since Since South Korea wouldn't make a big issue over it. *sigh* This is really a non-issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Or it could be for payment for services rendered instead of cash - though Russia will turn around and sell it, anyway. Kind of like "laundering" oil? LOL!
    Ha! That makes a quirky kind of sense. Good one.
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