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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what proxies are you referring to?
    Hezbollah and Hamas. Which I suppose are equivalent to the Mujadeem and the Contras.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    iran has not initiated military action against another sovereign nation in approximately 200 years
    we cannot even say that about israel for 200 weeks

    now, which nation currently possess nuclear weapons but refuses to participate in the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
    which nation refuses to allow access to neutral observers to assess its military capacity
    hint: it is not iran
    200 years, ay? I didn't know that. It's relevance to this discussion is open to question, but seriously, thank you. I'll have to check that out.

    If your neighbor were building a Colt .45 and stating publicly that he wanted to wipe you off the map, would you sign a Colt .45 NPT? I sure as hell wouldn't. I think I'd get more ammo and spend some time at the range.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not going to change much unless you nationalize oil. First, there's nothing stopping Canada, OPEC or Russia from reducing supply to reduce total world supply to increase prices to where they want them. If the US increased production by 50,000 BPD, OPEC merely needs to drop 50,000 BPD to keep largely the same price. Nationalization isolates a country from the global market in the industry of nationalization. And the US is largely a small player in the global market. If we got off of oil, we'd see a serious decline in oil demand and price. Guess which government goes down? Carcas, Tehran, Moscow. All fall as revenue dries up. Replacing oil may be the easiest way to knock off our enemies. And all without firing a shot.
    That is a fascinating idea. Really. Kudos. But it does presuppose the possibility of quitting our oil habit. As flies-in-ointment go, that's pretty big.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by onestepfurther View Post
    200 years, ay? I didn't know that. It's relevance to this discussion is open to question, but seriously, thank you. I'll have to check that out.

    If your neighbor were building a Colt .45 and stating publicly that he wanted to wipe you off the map, would you sign a Colt .45 NPT? I sure as hell wouldn't. I think I'd get more ammo and spend some time at the range.
    in this case the neighbor did NOT say he wanted to wipe israel off of the map
    the iranian president did advocate assisting in regime change
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by onestepfurther View Post
    That is a fascinating idea. Really. Kudos. But it does presuppose the possibility of quitting our oil habit. As flies-in-ointment go, that's pretty big.
    I'm not creative enough (or old enough) to claim credit to that. Oil revenues make a disproportionate amount of those nation's GDP and tax revenue. Remember that Caracas in the years of cheap oil had a very different government. Russia as well. Representation without taxation can often result in governments that are in many ways tyrannical. Saudi Arabia for one. No one is going to argue that getting off oil is easy, but it would be the easiest way to topple our enemies without going to war at the same time as producing huge economic gains in the US. We export energy systems rather than importing at the same time denying our enemies revenue.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Hezbollah and Hamas. Which I suppose are equivalent to the Mujadeem and the Contras.
    and how do you determine that these are iranian proxies
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and how do you determine that these are iranian proxies
    Iran funnels them money and weapons. Not to mention provides training. I don't see how they are fundamentally different from the proxies the US used against the Soviet client states back in the Cold War. We give them money, weapons and training to fight our enemies so we don't directly have to. That's a proxy.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Heh..Romney will do the same thing if elected...you ummm think the GOP is against war all of a sudden...THEY ARE ALL WAITING TILL AFTER THE ELECTION...come on guys...darn..honest up some

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    iran has not initiated military action against another sovereign nation in approximately 200 years
    we cannot even say that about israel for 200 weeks
    Makes you wonder where the irrational fear comes from by some in a country with the most powerful military on the planet, doesn't it?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what proxies are you referring to?
    really?

    IRGC--> Qods--> Hezbollah (--> Hamas)
    IRGC--> Qods--> Mahdi Army
    IRGC--> Qods--> Taliban

    Who are the Qods Forces?

    The Quds Force (alternatively spelled Ghods or Qods) (Persian: نیروی قدس‎, translit. Niru-ye Qods, "Jerusalem Force") is a special unit of Iran's Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (Revolutionary Guard). It has been described as "tasked with exporting" Iran's Islamic revolution,[1] or "responsible for extraterritorial operations" of the Revolutionary Guard...
    The Qods Force is the offensive arm of the IRGC. They are those most dedicated to exporting the Jihad.

    Iran has been involved in an insurgent-style offensive in the Middle East against the Sunnis, against the Israelis, and against the US for about 25 years now.


    Oh - just for entertainment: who can name me the branch of Iranian military controlling the development of its' nuclear program?

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