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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Take it for what its worth:

    US offered Israel advanced weaponry in exchange for delaying Iran attack: report - NYPOST.com

    WASHINGTON -- The US offered to give Israel advanced weaponry -- including bunker-busting bombs and refueling planes -- in exchange for Israel's agreement not to attack Iranian nuclear sites, Israeli newspaper Maariv reported Thursday.
    President Obama reportedly made the offer during Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Washington this week.
    Under the proposed deal, Israel would not attack Iran until 2013, after US elections in November this year. The newspaper cited unnamed Western diplomatic and intelligence sources.
    Netanyahu said Monday that sanctions against Iran had not worked, adding that "none of us can afford to wait much longer" in taking action against Iran's controversial nuclear program.

    However, Netanyahu told FOX News Channel on Wednesday that he did not think war with Iran was inevitable. He added that the only way to deter Tehran was to advocate carrying out a serious military strike against the Islamic Republic.
    "The paradox is that if they actually believe that they are going to face the military option, then you probably will not need the military option," Netanyahu said.
    The US also believes there is still a "window of opportunity" for the dispute to be resolved diplomatically.
    Obama told reporters during a White House news conference Tuesday that the US would apply pressure to Iran, "even as we provide a door for the Iranian regime to walk through" to prove its nuclear program is peaceful.
    The President had met Netanyahu in the Oval Office the day before, where he reaffirmed his "unprecedented commitment" to Israel's security in the Middle East.
    On Thursday, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei welcomed Obama's support for finding a diplomatic solution to the Iranian crisis.
    "This talk is good talk and shows an exit from illusion," AFP reported Khamenei as saying, citing the leader's website. However, Khamenei criticised the continued imposition of international sanctions against Iran.
    "The US president continued saying that he wants to make the Iranian people kneel through sanctions, this part of this speech shows the continuation of illusion in this issue," he said.
    A statement issued Thursday on behalf of the so-called P5+1 countries -- the US, UK, France, Russia, China and Germany -- urged Iran to enter into a "serious dialogue" and "without pre-conditions" on its nuclear program.
    The statement was issued at a meeting of the UN atomic agency in Vienna. "We call on Iran to enter, without pre-conditions, into a sustained process of serious dialogue, which will produce concrete results," it said.
    On Tuesday, the P5+1 countries accepted an offer from Iran's chief nuclear negotiator to resume talks.

    Very interesting if it is true.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    So are all you leftys gonna vote for Obama, even though we all know that he is deliberately delaying wars with Syria and Iran until after the election?

    You know those wars will commence as soon as he's re-elected, yes?

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    So are all you leftys gonna vote for Obama, even though we all know that he is deliberately delaying wars with Syria and Iran until after the election?

    You know those wars will commence as soon as he's re-elected, yes?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    iraq not an actual threat to the USA
    iran not an actual threat to the USA
    lies about iraq military capacity to justify unnecessary war
    lies about iran military capacity to justify unnecessary war

    looks like a direct parallel to me
    So just for argument, let's say Iran builds a few nukes -- the first three or so obviously go to Israel, but what of the next few? May I suggest that cities on the coasts (NY, DC, LA, etc.) are easy to get within blast radius of if your blast radius is measured in tens of miles. Just a thought. Iran not a threat? Sun not rise in east.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by onestepfurther View Post
    So just for argument, let's say Iran builds a few nukes -- the first three or so obviously go to Israel, but what of the next few? May I suggest that cities on the coasts (NY, DC, LA, etc.) are easy to get within blast radius of if your blast radius is measured in tens of miles. Just a thought. Iran not a threat? Sun not rise in east.
    And what exactly shows that Iran's leadership does not subscribe to MAD?

    When has Iran's leadership acted in a way that ever risks their lives or power?
    When has Iran's leadership ever use its large chemical weapons stocks against Israel during the various wars, more than sufficent to wipe out the country?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by onestepfurther View Post
    So just for argument, let's say Iran builds a few nukes -- the first three or so obviously go to Israel, but what of the next few? May I suggest that cities on the coasts (NY, DC, LA, etc.) are easy to get within blast radius of if your blast radius is measured in tens of miles. Just a thought. Iran not a threat? Sun not rise in east.
    iran has not initiated military action against another sovereign nation in approximately 200 years
    we cannot even say that about israel for 200 weeks

    now, which nation currently possess nuclear weapons but refuses to participate in the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
    which nation refuses to allow access to neutral observers to assess its military capacity
    hint: it is not iran
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    someday we'll figure out that replacing oil is important enough to make it a top-level national priority.

    i hope we figure it out before the next war.
    Or maybe we could start pumping our own oil -- it's not like there ain't enough of it. But seriously, it IS and has been a top priority, in both gov't and private research for years. But the wind is sometimes calm, and the the sun (even if solar panels were 100% efficient -- and they ain't) just doesn't lay enough energy on us to power our society.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    iran has not initiated military action against another sovereign nation in approximately 200 years

    Whoa there.
    That's not counting proxies because if we count proxies, Iran has been in a cold war with Israel for the better part of 30 years.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Whoa there.
    That's not counting proxies because if we count proxies, Iran has been in a cold war with Israel for the better part of 30 years.
    what proxies are you referring to?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by onestepfurther View Post
    Or maybe we could start pumping our own oil -- it's not like there ain't enough of it. But seriously, it IS and has been a top priority, in both gov't and private research for years. But the wind is sometimes calm, and the the sun (even if solar panels were 100% efficient -- and they ain't) just doesn't lay enough energy on us to power our society.
    Not going to change much unless you nationalize oil. First, there's nothing stopping Canada, OPEC or Russia from reducing supply to reduce total world supply to increase prices to where they want them. If the US increased production by 50,000 BPD, OPEC merely needs to drop 50,000 BPD to keep largely the same price. Nationalization isolates a country from the global market in the industry of nationalization. And the US is largely a small player in the global market. If we got off of oil, we'd see a serious decline in oil demand and price. Guess which government goes down? Carcas, Tehran, Moscow. All fall as revenue dries up. Replacing oil may be the easiest way to knock off our enemies. And all without firing a shot.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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