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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Doubtful because I don't consider Korea to be an unnecessary war. But for that one I have to rely on other people. I watched the Moon landing on Live TV.

    More half lies. Show me the UN sanctions or IAEA reports where the superpowers are in violation of the NPT. You can't. If I trust their facts over the US government, I'm not going to take your word over theirs.

    They might act without UN sanctions but you'll have to make a much better case than you have been to convince me it'll "be like Iraq".
    There are no sanctions against the superpowers for not fully living up to their agreement to disarm their nukes, even 40 years after they agreed to do so. That is why I don't put much stock in the UN's enforcement of the agreement.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    There are no sanctions against the superpowers for not fully living up to their agreement to disarm their nukes, even 40 years after they agreed to do so. That is why I don't put much stock in the UN's enforcement of the agreement.
    Did the NPT give some kind of time-frame for complete nuclear disarmament? I wasn't aware of such, could you please quote it for me?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Did the NPT give some kind of time-frame for complete nuclear disarmament? I wasn't aware of such, could you please quote it for me?
    40 years is not enough time for the superpowers to comply to the agreement, but yet we must jump right on non-compliance by Iran. Sounds fair!
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    40 years is not enough time for the superpowers to comply to the agreement, but yet we must jump right on non-compliance by Iran. Sounds fair!
    I didn't ask for a repeat of your opinion but I'll repeat, too, if you insist:

    What time-frame does the NPT have for nuclear disarmament by the superpowers?
    It's a simple question.

    On the other hand, the NPT is very clear on the points where Iran is in violation.
    If they don't want to comply then let them withdraw from the treaty. That, too, is simple.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I didn't ask for a repeat of your opinion but I'll repeat, too, if you insist:

    What time-frame does the NPT have for nuclear disarmament by the superpowers?
    It's a simple question.

    On the other hand, the NPT is very clear on the points where Iran is in violation.
    If they don't want to comply then let them withdraw from the treaty. That, too, is simple.

    There are no time tables to comply with the treaty, either for the super powers or for Iran and the other non-nuclear states. If they are pushed, I expect they will withdraw from the treaty, just as North Korea did.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As we found though with Israel bombing Iraq in 81, the US completely destroying Iraq's military offensive capabilities in 91, multiple air strikes in 98, and even 10 years of sanctions, all of that didn't dispel the paranoia by some that Iraq had WMD. I think it will be the same with Iran.

    I think the only real threat Iraq/Iran presented to the US was in disruption of cheap oil to the world oil market from the middle east.

    Cheney and his Energy Task Force stated that Iraq sometimes would keep oil production low or withhold oil to drive up world oil prices for political purpose and was one of the reasons they recommended military intervention in Iraq. And when US forces invaded Iraq, their very first mission goal, was not securing the nuclear facilities or searching for WMD, it was to secure Iraq's oil wells.
    What about the PNAC document, who said they needed a "new Pearl Harbor"? (before 9/11 )

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    Hooray for fake and phony journalism!

    Hooray for illusionary freedom of the press and fake political rallies!

    Jon Stewart defends George W. Bush on MSNBC


    "Stewart said Bush "is not a war criminal," and said he believed the former president's assertions about Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons programs prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq were what Bush "truly believed" at the time.

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    "In contrast, host Rachel Maddow has in the past suggested that the Bush administration knowingly misled the American public about the imminent threat from Hussein's weapons program. She has also argued on air that U.S. actions during the Iraq war violated the Geneva Conventions, making the Commander-In-Chief, technically, a war criminal.

    Jon Stewart behaves exactly like lamestream media pro-war hacks, and its not accidental.No war criminal in the WH, and he agreed yesterday with Sarah Palin, right wing hatespeech is not to blame for AZ shooting, just a "lone nut."Stewart has his lamestream media talking points all in order as he performs his role as $6 million dollar man for Uncle Sam.
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    Would you lie and propagandize for the State, if you were paid Stewarts 6 million dollar annual salary?
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    Stewart? Jon Stewart???
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    He posted something about a position he claims Stewart took on something that he disagreed with, but I can't find it.
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    No need to look. I'm only marginally curious.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    I think we're starting to see more-and-more of that veil start to come down. But people like us, Kane, we're the outsiders in all of this. Political dissenters, or whatever its called. We've been indoctrinated just like everyone else, but for some reason, we've been able to rise above the influence and see the world for what it really is.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    The people are sick of being oppressed. It would diffuse the already polarized and highly tense political atmosphere if the television media/news would stop lying to the people and tell them the truth instead of propagandizing them 24-7.

    The constant terror scares, the false fears about this "marxist" plot, that "communist," targeting Assange for just releasing confidential files, the overtly oppressive censorship, not to mention the extremely offensive rhetoric coming from the mouths of govmnt officials, Feds or otherwise, make America appear and feel like a dictatorship.
    I get it. If Stewart doesn't agree with you 100%, and toe the liberal line 100%, then he's a corporate tool? Do you ever watch his show?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    The people are sick of being oppressed. It would diffuse the already polarized and highly tense political atmosphere if the television media/news would stop lying to the people and tell them the truth instead of propagandizing them 24-7.

    The constant terror scares, the false fears about this "marxist" plot, that "communist," targeting Assange for just releasing confidential files, the overtly oppressive censorship, not to mention the extremely offensive rhetoric coming from the mouths of govmnt officials, Feds or otherwise, make America appear and feel like a dictatorship.
    I'm afraid I'm just leaping off the ledge with you. ANd I don't see Stewart in that anywhere.

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