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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I don't think anyone believes Iran currently has a nuke. The idea is to prevent them from getting one. To do that, some action must be taken before they actually develop the capability. Intelligence indicates they have assembled some of the pieces and technology to do so. That's why sanctions are in place now.
    But neither the military nor the UN thinks a military strike is in order.

    And yes, Iran has opened up the site at Parchin after denying access for...so long. Lots of time to remove anything incriminating. What do you suppose inspectors will find now at this military base? I'm betting nothing but a few metal shavings and a broken fusball table, and seriously nothing else at all in a very large space. It's an obvious shell game, so this article is no surprise:


    Iran 'trying to remove evidence that it tested detonators for nuclear weapons' - Telegraph
    Sounds just like when they said Iraq must have moved their WMD.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    But neither the military nor the UN thinks a military strike is in order.
    Neither does Obama and neither do I. It's too early to jump. It's preferable to give Iran a way to bow out gracefully (not provided to Iraq) so they don't look weak and more like elder statesmen. They'll be more inclined to play along that way. The military option will always exist, but it's the least preferable one.

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    Sounds just like when they said Iraq must have moved their WMD.
    Yup. Give a murderer enough time to hide the murder weapon, he will. The totally unexpected is if they don't hide it.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Neither does Obama and neither do I. It's too early to jump. It's preferable to give Iran a way to bow out gracefully (not provided to Iraq) so they don't look weak and more like elder statesmen. They'll be more inclined to play along that way. The military option will always exist, but it's the least preferable one.


    Yup. Give a murderer enough time to hide the murder weapon, he will. The totally unexpected is if they don't hide it.

    Or, like a creative mind can produce a detailed picture from whole cloth, as was done in Iraq.

    Once the world has depleted the last of the cheap oil in the middle east, I'm betting the risk that these little dictatorships present, will decline to the normal proportions their military threat actually represents to the superpowers on the planet.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Once the world has depleted the last of the cheap oil in the middle east, I'm betting the risk that these little dictatorships present, will decline to the normal proportions their military threat actually represents to the superpowers on the planet.
    I suspect you're right. They may have to get used to Camels again.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    I suspect you're right. They may have to get used to Camels again.
    Saudi is investing more heavily in alternative energy than the US!
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    Saudi is investing more heavily in alternative energy than the US!
    Well yeah, they don't want to be riding Camels when the oil runs out.

    If the US doesn't follow, we'll be fighting China for the last scraps and cobbling old bicycle parts together to get around.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The UN has not proposed, nor have they endorsed a military strike on Iran by anyone. What do you feel the UN sanctions should be if someone bombs Iran without UN authority?
    Iran is not Iraq, plain and simple. The UN is providing the facts in this situation, not the US. It's sad you stake so much on UN opinion but apparently believe they'd lie about their weapons inspections. Make up your mind, dude, In or Out?



    Whatever the UN may decide to do IF that happens will, I'm sure, be very dependent on exact details of the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    But Iran does not have a nuclear weapon, just as Iraq did not have WMD. And, I just read yesterday that Iran has opened their military base to inspection.
    As long as they get that big OK from the UN inspectors I don't care what they do. The opposite is also true, what they do doesn't matter if the UN inspectors aren't satisfied.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sounds just like when they said Iraq must have moved their WMD.
    Was that the UN saying that??? If not there's no reason to bring it up.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    Iran is not Iraq, plain and simple. The UN is providing the facts in this situation, not the US. It's sad you stake so much on UN opinion but apparently believe they'd lie about their weapons inspections. Make up your mind, dude, In or Out?

    Whatever the UN may decide to do IF that happens will, I'm sure, be very dependent on exact details of the situation.

    As long as they get that big OK from the UN inspectors I don't care what they do. The opposite is also true, what they do doesn't matter if the UN inspectors aren't satisfied.

    Was that the UN saying that??? If not there's no reason to bring it up.
    Perhaps I have witnessed more unnecessary wars waged than you have. I am distrustful of going to war because of a technical violation of an agreement that the superpowers have also not fully lived up to. What is more worrying is that the US or Israel might act without UN sanction as they did in Iraq.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Perhaps I have witnessed more unnecessary wars waged than you have. I am distrustful of going to war because of a technical violation of an agreement that the superpowers have also not fully lived up to. What is more worrying is that the US or Israel might act without UN sanction as they did in Iraq.
    Doubtful because I don't consider Korea to be an unnecessary war. But for that one I have to rely on other people. I watched the Moon landing on Live TV.

    More half lies. Show me the UN sanctions or IAEA reports where the superpowers are in violation of the NPT. You can't. If I trust their facts over the US government, I'm not going to take your word over theirs.

    They might act without UN sanctions but you'll have to make a much better case than you have been to convince me it'll "be like Iraq".
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Well yeah, they don't want to be riding Camels when the oil runs out.

    If the US doesn't follow, we'll be fighting China for the last scraps and cobbling old bicycle parts together to get around.
    Or driving smaller cars.....

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