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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    Like CNN is privy to US military secrets? You think we release the specs on all the latest weaponry? Com'on, as far as I know the top speed of the SR-71 is still a secret (there are some guesses) - at least it was even after 10+ years of active service.
    I'm still not clear why people aren't considering multiple strikes on the same point. If the first strike doesn't penetrate deeply enough, the next one will. Why is this simple solution so universally ignored?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I'm still not clear why people aren't considering multiple strikes on the same point. If the first strike doesn't penetrate deeply enough, the next one will. Why is this simple solution so universally ignored?
    They must be thinking of things like Cheyenne Mt. not realizing what a huge endeavor it is to build that kind of installation.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I'm still not clear why people aren't considering multiple strikes on the same point. If the first strike doesn't penetrate deeply enough, the next one will. Why is this simple solution so universally ignored?
    As we found though with Israel bombing Iraq in 81, the US completely destroying Iraq's military offensive capabilities in 91, multiple air strikes in 98, and even 10 years of sanctions, all of that didn't dispel the paranoia by some that Iraq had WMD. I think it will be the same with Iran.

    I think the only real threat Iraq/Iran presented to the US was in disruption of cheap oil to the world oil market from the middle east.

    Cheney and his Energy Task Force stated that Iraq sometimes would keep oil production low or withhold oil to drive up world oil prices for political purpose and was one of the reasons they recommended military intervention in Iraq. And when US forces invaded Iraq, their very first mission goal, was not securing the nuclear facilities or searching for WMD, it was to secure Iraq's oil wells.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As we found though with Israel bombing Iraq in 81, the US completely destroying Iraq's military offensive capabilities in 91, multiple air strikes in 98, and even 10 years of sanctions, all of that didn't dispel the paranoia by some that Iraq had WMD. I think it will be the same with Iran.

    I think the only real threat Iraq/Iran presented to the US was in disruption of cheap oil to the world oil market from the middle east.

    Cheney and his Energy Task Force stated that Iraq sometimes would keep oil production low or withhold oil to drive up world oil prices for political purpose and was one of the reasons they recommended military intervention in Iraq. And when US forces invaded Iraq, their very first mission goal, was not securing the nuclear facilities or searching for WMD, it was to secure Iraq's oil wells.
    As long as the UN inspectors are saying there's a problem then I'll continue to believe there's a problem. IF, and that's a big IF, Iran gets to the point where the UN inspectors give them a clean bill of health then I'll also believe that.

    With Iraq you're talking about an illusion created by an idiot to justify a war that shouldn't have been fought. With Iran it's the UN, not some American faction, saying there are nuclear issues that need to be addressed. Regardless of how many times you try to equate Iran to Iraq they simply aren't the same situation.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As we found though with Israel bombing Iraq in 81, the US completely destroying Iraq's military offensive capabilities in 91, multiple air strikes in 98, and even 10 years of sanctions, all of that didn't dispel the paranoia by some that Iraq had WMD. I think it will be the same with Iran.

    I think the only real threat Iraq/Iran presented to the US was in disruption of cheap oil to the world oil market from the middle east.

    Cheney and his Energy Task Force stated that Iraq sometimes would keep oil production low or withhold oil to drive up world oil prices for political purpose and was one of the reasons they recommended military intervention in Iraq. And when US forces invaded Iraq, their very first mission goal, was not securing the nuclear facilities or searching for WMD, it was to secure Iraq's oil wells.
    I'm not sure how this relates to my comment about hitting deeply embedded targets, but...

    I'll grant you that oil was a heavy motivator in the attack on Iraq. Many other things were intended too, but smooth unrestricted access to oil was one of the big ones. This was an "oil war."
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    As long as the UN inspectors are saying there's a problem then I'll continue to believe there's a problem. IF, and that's a big IF, Iran gets to the point where the UN inspectors give them a clean bill of health then I'll also believe that.

    With Iraq you're talking about an illusion created by an idiot to justify a war that shouldn't have been fought. With Iran it's the UN, not some American faction, saying there are nuclear issues that need to be addressed. Regardless of how many times you try to equate Iran to Iraq they simply aren't the same situation.
    The UN has not proposed, nor have they endorsed a military strike on Iran by anyone. What do you feel the UN sanctions should be if someone bombs Iran without UN authority?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    I'm not sure how this relates to my comment about hitting deeply embedded targets, but...

    I'll grant you that oil was a heavy motivator in the attack on Iraq. Many other things were intended too, but smooth unrestricted access to oil was one of the big ones. This was an "oil war."

    It just serves to show that the ability to hit deeply embedded targets, just as we did in Iraq, does nothing to combat the paranoia of Iran by some, just as it didn't with Iraq.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It just serves to show that the ability to hit deeply embedded targets, just as we did in Iraq, does nothing to combat the paranoia of Iran by some, just as it didn't with Iraq.
    I don't know why. The object is to stop a nuclear weapons program, or more accurately, stop Iran from processing their own nuclear fuel without full IAEA observation. Once that target is disabled that site can no longer process uranium. No more worries.

    If Iran agrees to IAEA oversight, there's no reason to hit them at all, and no long-term reason to worry about Iran's nuclear program. Seems simple to me.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I don't know why. The object is to stop a nuclear weapons program, or more accurately, stop Iran from processing their own nuclear fuel without full IAEA observation. Once that target is disabled that site can no longer process uranium. No more worries.

    If Iran agrees to IAEA oversight, there's no reason to hit them at all, and no long-term reason to worry about Iran's nuclear program. Seems simple to me.
    But Iran does not have a nuclear weapon, just as Iraq did not have WMD. And, I just read yesterday that Iran has opened their military base to inspection.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    But Iran does not have a nuclear weapon, just as Iraq did not have WMD. And, I just read yesterday that Iran has opened their military base to inspection.
    I don't think anyone believes Iran currently has a nuke. The idea is to prevent them from getting one. To do that, some action must be taken before they actually develop the capability. Intelligence indicates they have assembled some of the pieces and technology to do so. That's why sanctions are in place now.

    And yes, Iran has opened up the site at Parchin after denying access for...so long. Lots of time to remove anything incriminating. What do you suppose inspectors will find now at this military base? I'm betting nothing but a few metal shavings and a broken fusball table, and seriously nothing else at all in a very large space. It's an obvious shell game, so this article is no surprise:

    Satellite photographs show the appearance of earth-moving vehicles and haulage lorries at Parchin, a military base where the IAEA said in its last report that Iranian scientists had experimented with a device that could only be used in the detonation system of a nuclear bomb.

    When IAEA inspectors visited Iran last month, they were refused permission to visit Parchin. Since then, Tehran has partially backed down and conceded that the agency's experts can enter the location "once".

    The satellite photographs appear to show a recent effort to sanitise the site beforehand, one IAEA official told the Associated Press news agency.

    Last November, the IAEA said that experiments with the detonation system of nuclear weapons had been conducted inside a large metal container at Parchin.
    Iran 'trying to remove evidence that it tested detonators for nuclear weapons' - Telegraph
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