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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    About the only thing you can predict from a war with Iran is that the entire region, if not the world, would be drawn in.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    About the only thing you can predict from a war with Iran is that the entire region, if not the world, would be drawn in.
    How can you be so sure?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    No one predicted we would have ground troops in Iraq for almost a decade. Striking Iran militarily would be an act of war and one cannot predict how it will end. Our invasion of Iraq in 2003 was preceded by an air strike in 1998.
    That's because we believed we could "give Iraq Democracy." This required staying until that was done. In Iran, we're not pushing Democracy on them, we just want the potential of nuke weapons removed. No need for boots on the ground, no need to stay there.

    The first action in modern warfare is to achieve Air Superiority. This is achieved by hitting enemy airbases and air defense sites. This draws enemy fighter aircraft into battle where they can be destroyed. Once Air superiority is achieved the primary battle plan can begin. You'll see this theme over and over again. It's the most obvious, most logical first step. So just because the first step is similar to the first step in Iraq 2003, it has absolutely zero to do with the final mission objective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    That's because we believed we could "give Iraq Democracy." This required staying until that was done. In Iran, we're not pushing Democracy on them, we just want the potential of nuke weapons removed. No need for boots on the ground, no need to stay there.
    We weren't planning to "give Iraq Democracy" when we carried our our air strike in 1998. There was no need to invade and occupy Iraq either, but we did.

    The first action in modern warfare is to achieve Air Superiority. This is achieved by hitting enemy airbases and air defense sites. This draws enemy fighter aircraft into battle where they can be destroyed. Once Air superiority is achieved the primary battle plan can begin. You'll see this theme over and over again. It's the most obvious, most logical first step. So just because the first step is similar to the first step in Iraq 2003, it has absolutely zero to do with the final mission objective.
    Like with Iraq, Iran does not present a military threat to the US. I don't believe in going to war with a country that is not a threat to us. That has worked poorly when we did it in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We weren't planning to "give Iraq Democracy" when we carried our our air strike in 1998. There was no need to invade and occupy Iraq either, but we did.
    We did not invade Iraq in 1998. Air strikes were used, establishing Air Superiority exactly as I described, and then Operation Desert Fox ended.

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    Like with Iraq, Iran does not present a military threat to the US. I don't believe in going to war with a country that is not a threat to us. That has worked poorly when we did it in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
    Any country that sponsors, or even turns a blind-eye to terrorism is a threat to the US (or any other country for that matter). Afghanistan was attacked because it sponsored the terrorists that perpetrated the massacre of over 3,000 people in the US. Iran not only sponsors terrorism, terrorism is the primary striking arm of Iran. That's why people like to believe Iran never attacked anybody. If Iran can make a terrorist strike in any country and later claim they know nothing, and Americans actually believe this, that tells Iran they can attack anywhere anytime with absolute certainty and that impressionable Americans will believe Iran is completely innocent. Why on Earth would Iran think retribution could ever happen? Lastly, Iran has attempted terrorist/assassinations in many countries including the USA, thus proving that Iran is NOT too suicidal to cause mayhem in the US. Thus Iran is a threat to the US.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    We did not invade Iraq in 1998. Air strikes were used, establishing Air Superiority exactly as I described, and then Operation Desert Fox ended.
    You misread my post, I said our air strike preceded our invasion and occupation, just as it might in Iran.



    Any country that sponsors, or even turns a blind-eye to terrorism is a threat to the US (or any other country for that matter). Afghanistan was attacked because it sponsored the terrorists that perpetrated the massacre of over 3,000 people in the US. Iran not only sponsors terrorism, terrorism is the primary striking arm of Iran. That's why people like to believe Iran never attacked anybody. If Iran can make a terrorist strike in any country and later claim they know nothing, and Americans actually believe this, that tells Iran they can attack anywhere anytime with absolute certainty and that impressionable Americans will believe Iran is completely innocent. Why on Earth would Iran think retribution could ever happen? Lastly, Iran has attempted terrorist/assassinations in many countries including the USA, thus proving that Iran is NOT too suicidal to cause mayhem in the US. Thus Iran is a threat to the US.

    Terrorists are not a people. The tactics of terrorism are employed by those around the world without the luxury of the technological weapons we have to kill people. Whether is comes from 19 Saudis or other people that hate us spread out all over the world. You can't bomb the world into respecting the US, it has be earned. And it is not earned by attacking countries that are of no military threat to us.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You misread my post, I said our air strike preceded our invasion and occupation, just as it might in Iran.
    Actions separated by 5 YEARS. They are part of the same operation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Terrorists are not a people. The tactics of terrorism are employed by those around the world without the luxury of the technological weapons we have to kill people. Whether is comes from 19 Saudis or other people that hate us spread out all over the world. You can't bomb the world into respecting the US, it has be earned. And it is not earned by attacking countries that are of no military threat to us.
    It's true they are not a people, but a government that actively encourages and even employs terrorism, can be focused upon as a source of terrorism. Most of the world actively combats terrorism, Iran by contrast, uses it as a weapon. So we aren't attempting to bomb the world, just concentrations of those for whom civilian deaths are a primary goal (e.g.,"terrorists"). So while Iran is not a military threat, they remain a threat to the civilian populace of the US (and other countries). This makes terrorists (and anyone who supports their activities) enemies of the US, and therefore a viable military target.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Actions separated by 5 YEARS. They are part of the same operation.
    I meant to say, "They NOT are part of the same operation."

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Actions separated by 5 YEARS. They are part of the same operation.



    It's true they are not a people, but a government that actively encourages and even employs terrorism, can be focused upon as a source of terrorism. Most of the world actively combats terrorism, Iran by contrast, uses it as a weapon. So we aren't attempting to bomb the world, just concentrations of those for whom civilian deaths are a primary goal (e.g.,"terrorists"). So while Iran is not a military threat, they remain a threat to the civilian populace of the US (and other countries). This makes terrorists (and anyone who supports their activities) enemies of the US, and therefore a viable military target.


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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Your link didn't work for me so I looked up Resolution 678, and found this: Security Council resolution 678 (1990) on the situation between Iraq and Kuwait

    You are right, it does authorize military action against Iraq in 1991. I stand corrected there, thanks! However, there was no such authorization of force by the UN for our invasion of Iraq in 2003, nor any that I have found for an attack on Iran.
    Unless Iran invades a neighbor and holds that position for several months, as happened with Iraq/Kuwait, I wouldn't expect to see a UN Resolution "allowing" any kind of military action. That won't happen even if they're in violation of the NPT for decades (they already have 8 years of violations). If I gave any impression to the contrary I'm sorry 'cause it's not going to happen, ever, and I never expected it to happen. If you expected proof of that kind then I missed it somewhere and I'll agree flat out that it won't happen. Even if Iran built 100 functioning nukes the UN won't "sanction" an invasion or any other kind of military action.

    The point, however, is that Israel (especially) and other Western countries will not allow things to get that far before carrying out surgical strikes to cripple the ability of Iran to make a nuke. Personally, I think it's an uphill battle and that if Iran wants them they will eventually have them, though it may take a decade or more. What I'm hoping is Russia or China will at some point step in and convince them otherwise.
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