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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I see something about North Korea 20 years ago, that France would use nukes on anyone who uses nukes on them, and nothing about the US aiming nukes at Iran.
    I see, our violation of the treaty against N. Korea doesn't count because it was 20 years ago, and 40 years after promising to disarm our nukes as the treaty requires, is not enough time.


    How does Philip Weiss know about the armament configuration of Israeli subs? Just because a sub can be nuclear-armed doesn't mean it is. What are Philip Weiss' credentials? Is he an insider into Israeli operational procedures?

    Nice video of a periscope. No markings anywhere. Not nearly enough is seen for positive identification. That might have been an Iranian sub for all we know. It seems mighty convenient for the periscope to look directly at the boat, but stay there to pose for video.

    On the other hand, I think we do have subs operating in the Persian Gulf. But when we call them "nuclear subs" we are referring to their power plant, not necessarily how they are armed. That's classified information that the press cannot know about.



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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    What would make the region more disestablished is an Israeli/US strike on Iran.
    And you think Israle wouldn't attack Iran? Do you really want a state on the verge of collapse to have nukes?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    And you think Israle wouldn't attack Iran? Do you really want a state on the verge of collapse to have nukes?
    An Israeli attack on Iran with out US back up after the fact would be suicidal. I don't believe Israel is suicidal. The USSR had nukes on the verge of their collapse.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    An Israeli attack on Iran with out US back up after the fact would be suicidal.
    How do you figure? Israel has the best trained and most experienced combat pilots in the world. The only uncertainty would be if it takes more or less than 3 days for Iran's air force to get wiped out.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    How do you figure? Israel has the best trained and most experienced combat pilots in the world. The only uncertainty would be if it takes more or less than 3 days for Iran's air force to get wiped out.
    Israel knows that without future US protection and financial aid, if they were to attack Iran, they would have half the Arab world descend down upon them.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    Israel knows that without future US protection and financial aid, if they were to attack Iran, they would have half the Arab world descend down upon them.
    Half the Arab world has tried that several times and suffered humiliating defeats every single time. Each time accomplished without US protection. No, they wouldn't stick their hand in the IDF meatgrinder again.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Half the Arab world has tried that several times and suffered humiliating defeats every single time. Each time accomplished without US protection. No, they wouldn't stick their hand in the IDF meatgrinder again.
    If the President decides the most prudent course is to make it clear to Israel that if they attack Iran without our consent, we will terminate all ties and future support, I am willing to bet the majority of people in Israel that do not want war with Iran and others in the region, will dissuade Israel's leaders from attacking Iran.

    This is what I consider the best case scenario, as does our former National Security Advisory referenced above.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    The bottom line in regards to Iran is that they are a soverign nation, and we have no right, legally or morally, to dictate to other sovereign nations what defense weapons they are and are not allowed to possess.

    We should globally promote nuclear disarmament, but that doesn't begin nor does it end with Iran. It begins with the United States and Russia, two nations owning the VAST majority of nuclear weapons (and the only one to actually have used them is the US).

    We should concern ourselves with the missing nuclear weapons of the Cold War. Going to war with Iran while we ally ourselves with India, Pakistan, China, Russia, and Turkey is both ludicrous and extremely hypocritical.

    We need to get out of the Middle East and remind ourselves of the deadly consequences trying to dictate the domestic policy of other countries.
    Iran has been found in violation of an International treaty. We have a legal right to determine what they are and are not allowed to possess because Iran is a part of NPT. NPT does globally promote nuclear disarment. The two states, Russia and US are considered nuclear weapons states under the NPT, Iran is not. The international community does not believe the US has been violating this treaty (outside of the Non-Aligned Movement) and if they do think that we are, they can go ahead and voice their concerns. It is ludacris to think we can just "get out of the middle east." I have already explained. If we leave the middle east and abandon Israel, the chances of a war is far more likely. Letting Iran have nuclear weapons will cause other countries in the region (ie, turkey, saudi, etc) to pursue nukes of their own. It is extremely niave to think that leaving Iran alone will cause them to stop building nukes and will promote peace. Almost every indicator I see is to the contrary.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If the President decides the most prudent course is to make it clear to Israel that if they attack Iran without our consent, we will terminate all ties and future support, I am willing to bet the majority of people in Israel that do not want war with Iran and others in the region, will dissuade Israel's leaders from attacking Iran.

    This is what I consider the best case scenario, as does our former National Security Advisory referenced above.
    Well, I seriously doubt we would do that to one of our longest and staunchest allies. But it's clear to me that Obama has put significant pressure on Israel to cool off.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Well, I seriously doubt we would do that to one of our longest and staunchest allies. But it's clear to me that Obama has put significant pressure on Israel to cool off.
    The economic sanctions, our military presense in the region, etc are what are keeping Israel from attacking Iran. To prevent that attack we need to insure them that we are doing something to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. How to we get the world to hop on board and support the sanctions. We and Israel give Iran a threat of attack, which now gives everyone else a reason to care. Sanctions and the threat of attack is the strongest combination to prevent an actual attack on Iran. It also may prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons, something both Israel and the US care about, and also something that is in the interests of middle east in general. Abandoning Israel would be an extremely detrimental move for US foriegn policy as we would also lose much of our credibility with our other close allies.
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