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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The entire world is worried about Iran's military threat huh????

    What the entire world is worrying about is Israel or the US doing something stupid that would cause oil prices in the Middle East to spike, furthering the world's economic recession
    No. We tend to worry far more about autocratic dictatorships who feel they are on a mission from Allah than we tend to do about democracies, where the leadership is answerable at the ballot box.

    Well, most of us do anyway.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I see something about North Korea 20 years ago, that France would use nukes on anyone who uses nukes on them, and nothing about the US aiming nukes at Iran.


    How does Philip Weiss know about the armament configuration of Israeli subs? Just because a sub can be nuclear-armed doesn't mean it is. What are Philip Weiss' credentials? Is he an insider into Israeli operational procedures?

    Nice video of a periscope. No markings anywhere. Not nearly enough is seen for positive identification. That might have been an Iranian sub for all we know. It seems mighty convenient for the periscope to look directly at the boat, but stay there to pose for video.

    On the other hand, I think we do have subs operating in the Persian Gulf. But when we call them "nuclear subs" we are referring to their power plant, not necessarily how they are armed. That's classified information that the press cannot know about.
    Exactly correct. That periscope, if that's what it is, could belong to anybody's navy. And nobody outside the defense establishment in the United States knows what nuclear armaments are on U.S. Navy ships.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Can you provide the data that supports your position?
    Of course they can't. That's just one of the buzz slogans used by the Far Left.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Based on the quality of the "intelligence" the Bush Administration used to justify the Iraq War, how can Americans now have confidence that whatever the government tells them is reliable enough to justify a war?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No. We tend to worry far more about autocratic dictatorships who feel they are on a mission from Allah than we tend to do about democracies, where the leadership is answerable at the ballot box.

    Well, most of us do anyway.

    I second that!

    That is exactly why the Western world has a problem with the Iranian Regime having nuclear arms.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden47 View Post
    Based on the quality of the "intelligence" the Bush Administration used to justify the Iraq War, how can Americans now have confidence that whatever the government tells them is reliable enough to justify a war?
    I go by what the UN reports as well as others.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No. We tend to worry far more about autocratic dictatorships who feel they are on a mission from Allah than we tend to do about democracies, where the leadership is answerable at the ballot box.

    Well, most of us do anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    I second that!

    That is exactly why the Western world has a problem with the Iranian Regime having nuclear arms.

    Or any nation or entity that poses a threat to the US, it interests or allies

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden47 View Post
    Based on the quality of the "intelligence" the Bush Administration used to justify the Iraq War, how can Americans now have confidence that whatever the government tells them is reliable enough to justify a war?
    Because after that last "mostly faulty" assessment, our intelligence services don't want their nutsacks cutoff even worse than last time. They are substantially more reserved this time around.

    In Senate testimony on January 31, James R Clapper Jr, the director of national intelligence, stated explicitly that American officials believe that Iran is preserving its options for a nuclear weapon, but said there was no evidence that it had made a decision on making a concerted push to build a weapon.
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    "They are certainly moving on that path, but we don't believe they have actually made the decision to go ahead with a nuclear weapon," Mr Clapper told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
    This hardly corresponds to the warmongering, war-drum beating that the US is constantly accused of. The US has actually been very reserved. The US has made it clear that "all options are on the table," but have not definitively expressed an interest in attacking Iran. This is primarily the supposition of the press, NOT the assertion of the US government, which is clearly in a holding pattern, waiting for Iran to engage in sincere negotiations.

    Critics of the American assessment in Jerusalem and some European capitals point out that Iran has made great strides in the most difficult step toward building a nuclear weapon, enriching uranium. That has also been the conclusion of a series of reports by the International Atomic Energy Agency's inspectors, who on Friday presented new evidence that the Iranians have begun enriching uranium in an underground facility.

    Once Iran takes further steps to actually enrich weapons grade fuel -- a feat that the United States does not believe Iran has yet accomplished -- the critics believe that it would be relatively easy for Iran to engineer a warhead and then have a bomb in short order. They also criticize the CIA for being overly cautious in its assessments of Iran, suggesting that it is perhaps overcompensating for its faulty intelligence assessments in 2002 about Iraq's purported weapons programs, which turned out not to exist.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...w/12036389.cms

    It's pretty much everyone else besides the US that insists Iran is proceeding with nuclear weapons. It's too early to attack at this juncture, but that situation may change. The acknowledgment of this reality does NOT constitute beating war drums, it's simply openly facing a real possibility. That's what the US government is doing.

    It's the press who's beating the war drums, so "We got the bubbleheaded bleach-blonde, comes on at 5. She can tell you about the [Iran war] with a gleam in her eye. It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry!"
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    It's the press who's beating the war drums, so "We got the bubbleheaded bleach-blonde, comes on at 5. She can tell you about the [Iran war] with a gleam in her eye. It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry!"
    Props for the Don Henley reference!!!

    Definitely have to link that in the Listening thread. Here's the YouTube
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only to the far right.

    You really do not know what you are talking about I am not the far right...Your sources are horrible written by computer scientists, hobbyists and those who use snopes. com for verification.


    Wikipedia is not a reliable source, nor is it recognized as a source itself. The contributors are essentially anyone who wishes to provide content.

    Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    "Wikipedia’s founder, Jimmy Wales, says he wants to get the message out to college students that they shouldn’t use it for class projects or serious research."


    Wikipedia Founder Discourages Academic Use of His Creation - Wired Campus - The Chronicle of Higher Education[/QUOTE]

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