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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
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    The bottom line in regards to Iran is that they are a soverign nation, and we have no right, legally or morally, to dictate to other sovereign nations what defense weapons they are and are not allowed to possess.

    We should globally promote nuclear disarmament, but that doesn't begin nor does it end with Iran. It begins with the United States and Russia, two nations owning the VAST majority of nuclear weapons (and the only one to actually have used them is the US).

    We should concern ourselves with the missing nuclear weapons of the Cold War. Going to war with Iran while we ally ourselves with India, Pakistan, China, Russia, and Turkey is both ludicrous and extremely hypocritical.

    We need to get out of the Middle East and remind ourselves of the deadly consequences trying to dictate the domestic policy of other countries.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    How do you propose that we do the disarmament while making sure that we do not put ourselves at risk of some other country using them or developing them during or after the disarmament?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How do you propose that we do the disarmament while making sure that we do not put ourselves at risk of some other country using them or developing them during or after the disarmament?
    In a perfect world, no country would own a single nuclear weapon. In reality, I would argue for a large reduction in nuclear weapons while maintaining a small arsenal for "just in case" purposes. We don't need 10,000 to win a war.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    In a perfect world, no country would own a single nuclear weapon. In reality, I would argue for a large reduction in nuclear weapons while maintaining a small arsenal for "just in case" purposes. We don't need 10,000 to win a war.
    This doesn't answer my question.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Finally, Iran is going to get the nuclear bomb.
    Tell that to the business end of an Israeli F-16.

    But wait.....wasn't it the liberals who say Iran has nothing but peaceful intentions for the nuclear program?

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The signatories like Iran and other non-nuclear states agreed not to develop nukes if the superpowers with nukes disposed of their arsenals. The idea was to create a world free of nuclear risk. Only the superpowers have not lived up to their end of the treaty, so there is no incentive for the non-nuclear states to comply either.

    The do as I say, not as I do model, does not encourage compliance.
    Article VI of the NPT states that the nuclear states would "negotiate in good faith" to reduce and ultimately eliminate their nuclear arsenals. It does no provide a time limit nor a required date. Nevertheless, in 1970 the US possessed roughly 26,000 warheads and currently possesses roughly 9,000 (only 5,000 active). That's a 66% reduction in the American arsenal, just as the NPT requires.

    U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a new START treaty on April 8, 2010 to reduce the number of active nuclear weapons from 2,200 to 1,550.[32][33] That same week Obama also revised U.S. policy on the use of nuclear weapons in a Nuclear Posture Review required of all presidents, declaring for the first time that the U.S. would not use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear, NPT-compliant states. The policy also renounces development of any new nuclear weapons.
    This demonstrates that US disarmament is continuing. Again, the US is living up to it's bargain as defined by the NPT. We are in compliance. Not only that, the US has declared NOT to use nukes against "non-nuclear, NPT-compliant states." Iran cannot claim they need nuclear weapons to protect against US nuclear weapons when the US has clearly stated we don't intend to use them against non-nuclear countries.

    Now all we ask is that Iran do the same. Why does Iran choose the path to war?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How do you propose that we do the disarmament while making sure that we do not put ourselves at risk of some other country using them or developing them during or after the disarmament?
    Please read the NPT.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This doesn't answer my question.
    I'll rephrase my response to directly answer the question. I would reduce the number of nuclear weapons but keep a small number in case of attack or war.

    If that still doesn't answer your question, maybe you could rephrase the question.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Article VI of the NPT states that the nuclear states would "negotiate in good faith" to reduce and ultimately eliminate their nuclear arsenals. It does no provide a time limit nor a required date. Nevertheless, in 1970 the US possessed roughly 26,000 warheads and currently possesses roughly 9,000 (only 5,000 active). That's a 66% reduction in the American arsenal, just as the NPT requires.

    This demonstrates that US disarmament is continuing. Again, the US is living up to it's bargain as defined by the NPT. We are in compliance. Not only that, the US has declared NOT to use nukes against "non-nuclear, NPT-compliant states." Iran cannot claim they need nuclear weapons to protect against US nuclear weapons when the US has clearly stated we don't intend to use them against non-nuclear countries.

    Now all we ask is that Iran do the same. Why does Iran choose the path to war?
    We still have 5,000 active nukes after 40 years. Many do not consider this living up to the intent of the treaty. Additionally, we had our nukes aimed at North Korea when they were a member of the NPT, and we currently have subs with nukes aimed at Iran, an NPT member, which is also a violation of the treaty.

    We and the other superpowers have to be a better role models if we expect compliance.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We still have 5,000 active nukes after 40 years. Many do not consider this living up to the intent of the treaty. Additionally, we had our nukes aimed at North Korea when they were a member of the NPT, and we currently have subs with nukes aimed at Iran, an NPT member, which is also a violation of the treaty.
    I find it remarkable that you know the position of nuclear-armed submarines. The location of our "Boomers" is classified beyond Top Secret. How did you come by this information? If you know about any subs, you may know about attack subs, and their payload isn't necessarily nuclear. Again, that is highly classified information. Got a link?
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